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by askonomm15 hours ago |
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upvoteby victorbjorklund15 hours ago|
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No, it literally says the law says you must seek permission if you wanna leave for more than 3 months and the govt must always grant you this if not in a war. And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence.
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upvoteby coldtea15 hours ago|
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>And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence

The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that.

That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.

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upvoteby victorbjorklund1 hours ago|
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Yea, you violated a law that is not enforced. Like how you are violating the law if you give some money to the neighbors kid to mow your lawn or if you cook some pie and you give it away to a friend without having proper certifications (at least in Sweden on paper you need to have certification to do that. Of course it is not enforced)

And no, Germany does not allow retroactive criminal punishments. That’s more something that happens in Russia, China and probably soon America

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upvoteby dwedge15 hours ago|
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A lot of laws head this way. Sweeping chances but not enforced so people ignore it, then later there's nothing stopping the government going back 7 years after select individuals. Just because it wasn't ever enforced doesn't mean it isn't illegal. An example is disguised employment laws for contractors in the UK (IR35)
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upvoteby wat1000015 hours ago|
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Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?
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upvoteby ultrarunner14 hours ago|
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The penalty doesn't have to be increased, it just needs to be selectively enforced.
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upvoteby victorbjorklund1 hours ago|
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There is no penalty.
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upvoteby seba_dos114 hours ago|
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You'd need to have some unenforced penalty first though.
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upvoteby gmueckl14 hours ago|
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No, Germany punishes according to the laws at the time of the crime. It is not possible to retroactively enforce new criminal statutes.
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upvoteby im3w1l15 hours ago|
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I think it's like they want to have it on the books now so they can use it later. If they try to emergency legislate during wartime people will protest and/or flee the country the day before it starts applying.
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upvoteby ndarray13 hours ago|
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At least Germany isn't looking at entering any wars at the moment...
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upvoteby itsyonas15 hours ago|
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All nation states are like that. They monopolise power and violence, and will defend that monopoly by sacrificing their citizens' lives if another state tries to infringe upon it.

I think it's clear that the interests of citizens and their state typically do not align. Unfortunately, most states have cultivated and propagated a different idea for decades, which is why so many people have a different perception of their state than the reality.

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upvoteby HappyPanacea15 hours ago|
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No idea why you single out nation states, all states are similar.
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upvoteby carlosjobim13 hours ago|
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States before nationalism generally used mercenaries to fight their wars. No soldier was dumb enough to think they were protecting their family.
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upvoteby HappyPanacea12 hours ago|
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Vast over-generalization
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upvoteby logicchains14 hours ago|
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Nation state is just another word for state, no? What state is not a nation state?
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upvoteby itsyonas14 hours ago|
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The states of the United States of America are not nation states.
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upvoteby Krssst15 hours ago|
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Yes you are: the article says that the permission must be granted in general by authorities (I guess no war and not active military) and no penalties for breaching it.
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upvoteby mhitza15 hours ago|
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You are, but it's a shit law and surprising to still exist in Germany. Per the article it's not a new law, has been in effect since the 80s, and there have been no repercussions for violating this law.

Instead, my 2c, should have changed it to a notice you have to send the military, at most.

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upvoteby varispeed15 hours ago|
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upvoteby trvz15 hours ago|
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upvoteby aziaziazi15 hours ago|
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With all your respect the guidelines also mention this:

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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