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> I agree with you that one must prepare for the transition to post-quantum signatures, so that when it becomes necessary the transition can be done immediately.

Personally, my reading between the lines on this subject as a non-expert is that we in the public might not know when post-quantum cryptography is necessary until quite a while after it is necessary.

Prior to the public-key cryptography revolution, the state of the art in cryptography was locked inside state agencies. Since then, public cryptographic research has been ahead or even with state work. One obvious tell was all the attempts to force privately-operated cryptographic schemes to open doors to the government via e.g. the Clipper chip and other appeals to magical key escrow.

A whole generation of cryptographers grew up in this world. Quantum cryptography might change things back. We know what papers say from Google and other companies. Who knows what is happening inside the NSA or military facilities?

It seems that with quantum cryptography we are back to physics, and the government does secret physics projects really well. This paragraph really stood out to me:

> Scott Aaronson tells us that the “clearest warning that [he] can offer in public right now about the urgency of migrating to post-quantum cryptosystems” is a vague parallel with how nuclear fission research stopped happening in public between 1939 and 1940.

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> Since then, public cryptographic research has been ahead or even with state work.

How can we know that?

> Who knows what is happening inside the NSA or military facilities?

Couldn't have NSA found an issue with ML-KEM and try to convince people to use it exclusively (not in hybrid scheme with ECC)?

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Planning now on a fast upgrade later, is planning on discovering all of the critical bugs after it is too late to do much about them.

Things need to be rolled out in advance of need, so that you can get a do-again in case there proves to be a need.

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How do you do revocation or software updates securely if your current signature algorithm is compromised?
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As a practical matter, revocation on the Web is handled mostly by centrally distributed revocation lists (CRLsets, CRLite, etc. [0]), so all you really need is:

(1) A PQ-secure way of getting the CRLs to the browser vendors. (2) a PQ-secure update channel.

Neither of these require broad scale deployment.

However, the more serious problem is that if you have a setting where most servers do not have PQ certificates, then disabling the non-PQ certificates means that lots of servers can't do secure connections at all. This obviously causes a lot of breakage and, depending on the actual vulnerability of the non-PQ algorithms, might not be good for security either, especially if people fall back to insecure HTTP.

See: https://educatedguesswork.org/posts/pq-emergency/ and https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/post-quantum...

[0] The situation is worse for Apple.

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Indeed, in an open system like the WebPKI it's fine in theory to only make the central authority PQ, but then you have the ecosystem adoption issue. In a closed system, you don't have the adoption issue, but the benefit to making only the central authority PQ is likely to be a lot smaller, because it might actually be the only authority. In both cases, you need to start moving now and gain little from trying to time the switchover.
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> In both cases, you need to start moving now and gain little from trying to time the switchover.

There are a number of "you"s here, including:

- The SDOs specifying the algorithms (IETF mostly)

- CABF adding the algorithms to the Baseline Requirements so they can be used in the WebPKI

- The HSM vendors adding support for the algorithms

- CAs adding PQ roots

- Browsers accepting them

- Sites deploying them

This is a very long supply line and the earlier players do indeed need to make progress. I'm less sure how helpful it is for individual sites to add PQ certificates right now. As long as clients will still accept non-PQ algorithms for those sites, there isn't much security benefit so most of what you are doing is getting some experience for when you really need it. There are obvious performance reasons not to actually have most of your handshakes use PQ certificates until you really have to.

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If your HSM vendor isn't actively working on/have a release date for GA PQ, you should probably get a new vendor.
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Yeah, that's an audience mismatch, this article is for "us." End users of cryptography, including website operators and passkey users (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47664744) can't do much right now, because "we" still need to finish our side.
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