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by meryll_dindin1 days ago |

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by croemer6 hours ago|

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Is the result good? Is it useful?

And why does your comment say you're a 30-person company but the title says 60?

by jedberg4 hours ago|

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> And why does your comment say you're a 30-person company but the title says 60?

AI hallucination? :)

by bob10294 hours ago|

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> The bot took two and a half weeks to build; the data infrastructure under it took two years.

This is the key lesson that everyone needs to step back and pay attention to here. The data is still king. If you have a clean relational database that contains all of your enterprise's information, pointing a modern LLM (i.e., late 2025+) at it without any further guidance often yields very good outcomes. Outcomes that genuinely shocked me no fewer than 6 months ago.

I am finding that 100 tables exposed as 1 tool performs significantly better than 100 tables exposed as 10~100 tools. Any time you find yourself tempted to patch things with more system prompt tokens or additional tools, you should push yourself to solve things in the other ways. More targeted & detailed error feedback from existing tools often goes a lot further than additional lines of aggressively worded prose.

I think one big fat SQL database is probably getting close to the best possible way to organize everything for an agent to consume. I am not going to die on any specific vendor's hill, but SQL in general is such a competent solution to the problem of incrementally revealing the domain knowledge to the agent. You can even incrementalize the schema description process itself by way of the system tables. Intentionally not providing a schema description tool/document/prompt seems to perform better with the latest models than the other way around.

by Stromgren1 hours ago|

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I run a SaaS business on the side of my job and have been for 15 years. There’s a million questions I’ve never had the time to dig into although the data was there. Retention cohorts, free to paid tier conversions, subscription upgrades/downgrades and so much more. Just this week, I decided to just let an agent have access through psql and go nuts, writing all analysis to markdown files. Reading through it, there’s a few things it misunderstood and as a result, some of the analysis was flawed, but all in all I’m honestly mindblown. It would have taken me months to write queries and even just coming up with frameworks of how to think about these metrics.

by rick12901 hours ago|

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Agreed. When I watch the llm start to explore the db - it really does impress me.

Can you expand on this:

You can even incrementalize the schema description process itself by way of the system tables. Intentionally not providing a schema description tool/document/prompt seems to perform better with the latest models than the other way around.

by bob10291 hours ago|

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If you tell GPT5.x that there is a database it can query by calling ExecuteSql(query), but you don't bother explaining anything about the schema, it will try to figure things out ad-hoc. This has advantages for token budget because it will tend to only lookup the metadata for tables that seem relevant to the user's query.

If you have a gigantic data warehouse with 1000+ tables, there's no way you could fit all of that info into a system prompt without completely jacking something up in the blackbox. So, why bother trying?

Consider that the user's specific request serves as an additional constraint that can be used to your advantage to dramatically reduce the search space. Building a single prompt / schema description that will magically work for all potential user requests is a cursed mission by comparison.

by operatingthetan3 hours ago|

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I think context windows are too small for an agent to actually do this properly yet. I have much smaller databases and with 1b context frontier models they still need reminders or nudging or come up with completely wrong stuff in response to basic queries.

Having the c-levels relying on this for off-the-cuff info seems ... dangerous?

by r12905 hours ago|

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I just did the exact same thing for my company. I didn’t do the sql lite approach for gdrive though just a direct search.

The one part that is still difficult is the data modeling and table level descriptions etc. Maybe you make an update to a table - remove a column, etc. The 3rd party systems all have their schemas defined but the data warehouse is a bit more loose. So solving that really helps. Did you just use dbt schema to describe tables and columns then sync that to your bot? How did you keep it updated? And end of the day - worth building or buying? Also how did you track costs? I let users choose their model - but have learned it can get expensive fast. As I can see there are a lot of providers trying to solve this one thing. That said the data warehouse aspect is the loosely defined area and I can see dbt or one of those players try to build something.

by mannanj5 hours ago|

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Hi. thanks for sharing. One thing I'd like to know is how often do you validate the answers? If a human gives an answer like the one the AI is giving for example, you'd probably expect a margin of error of like 1% of making a mistake. The AI though, is it 1% or less - and who's validating it? Are you trusting it more or less than a human?