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by code-blooded11 hours ago |
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upvoteby zdc18 hours ago|
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Yeah, there's basically nothing explaining why the need more funding, and what they will do with it. Hosting? Salaries? Admin? You'd hope for a bit more context than this.

> How will my gift be used?

> Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing development.

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upvoteby glenstein8 hours ago|
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Mostly to "technical staff" who work on product and infrastructure. I just don't think the point of the donate page was to be an information warehouse but instead just a dead simple donate page. The other info is googleable if you're looking for it.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/10/state-of-the-bird-2024-...

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upvoteby throw934ork4k9 hours ago|
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upvoteby monooso9 hours ago|
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For the avoidance of doubt, you won't donate to Thunderbird because you disagree with the following policy?

> We do not discriminate on the basis of race [...], religion [...], gender, gender identity, gender expression, color, national origin, pregnancy, ancestry, domestic partner status, disability, sexual orientation, age, genetic predisposition, medical condition, marital status, citizenship status, military or veteran status, or any other basis covered by applicable laws. Mozilla will not tolerate discrimination or harassment based on any of these characteristics or any other unlawful behavior, conduct, or purpose.

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upvoteby encom8 hours ago|
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Yes, that is correct. Discrimination is already illegal in hiring. Spelling it out so absurdly verbosely is just virtue signalling. If you're a remote developer, nobody cares about your colour or sex. Except at Mozilla, where people have their pronouns in Bugzilla.

To be clear, I fully support the right to be and feel and think whatever you want, but don't expect me to care about it, and this endless signposting of identity is tiresome.

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upvoteby skyyler8 hours ago|
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You say you don't care about these identities, yet you’re willing to let a tool you (presumably) value lose funding over a text block you find 'verbose.' It seems you care enough about the signposting to let it outweigh the software's actual utility.
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upvoteby encom5 hours ago|
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Yes, you just restated my argument.
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upvoteby monooso5 hours ago|
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By that reasoning, nobody would engage in discriminatory hiring practices (or indeed discriminatory behaviour in general), because it's against the law. That is clearly not the case.

As such, I really don't see why you have a problem with Mozilla making their position on this matter crystal clear. Do you really consider reading a few extra words that much of a hardship?

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upvoteby tokai8 hours ago|
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get over yourself
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upvoteby Hasnep9 hours ago|
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You won't donate because they will try not to discriminate when hiring? It's illegal to discriminate on things like race, sex and gender when hiring, so pretty much every company avoids it.
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upvoteby throw3849498 hours ago|
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Just click away is statement from Mozilla with all the usual buzzwords. I am not convinced thunderbird is separate entity. It clearly shares HR and hiring with Mozilla!

I would be happy to directly sponsor independent developers from poor countries (including Africa). But I am not going to pay $180k+ salaries to some corporation!

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upvoteby upofadown10 hours ago|
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They are an entity separate from Mozilla:

* https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

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upvoteby smarnach9 hours ago|
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They are not entirely separate from Mozilla. The MZLA Technologies Corporation is a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. They have access to some of Mozilla's common infrastructure, but are otherwise entirely funded by donations. Donations to MZLA only fund Thunderbird and no other products.
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upvoteby garaetjjte9 hours ago|
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Seems fine if you can donate to Thunderbird development. Compared to Firefox, where I don't think it's possible to donate to development at all (only to Mozilla activism side).
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upvoteby flopbob7 hours ago|
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You can buy their Products. Afaik if you buy i.e. Firefox relay the revenue does not go to the foundation.

Edit: I just checked the Invoice, payment goes indeed to Mozilla Corporation, not the foundation.

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upvoteby throw3849497 hours ago|
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Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired.

It is more like money laundering, than independent entity.

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upvoteby wsmwk6 hours ago|
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> Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired.

This is completely and utterly false.

MZLA hiring posts are placed on the Mozilla hiring site, and nothing more.

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upvoteby bpt310 hours ago|
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They are a wholly owned subsidiary. They're separate from Firefox, not Mozilla.
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upvoteby wsmwk6 hours ago|
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To be more clear: * MZLA are a subsidiary of Mozilla FOUNDATION * MZLA are separate from Mozilla CORPORATION aka Firefox
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upvoteby bpt328 minutes ago|
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And both are owned and controlled by Mozilla Foundation, which is the issue. Why on earth would I donate money to an organization that seems dedicated to doing as little as possible other than acting as a tool of its leaders?
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