That's what I said by subsidization being over.
replyCan you expand what you mean by "subsidization being over" in terms of the plan prices?
reply- Plus is still the same $20
- 20x Pro is still the same $200
- This is a new 5x tier is $100
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-what-is-chatgpt-... is probably a better direct comparison of the 3
Codex had 2x usage until April 1, I think when that ended there were a lot more people (like myself) who were fine on $20 but now want more usage
replyThey're trying to slowly move up market. I assume soon the $20 will get its own restrictions in the future (and/or ads) to get people to pay $100.
replyThe same could have been claimed in 2024 when they introduced the $200 Pro plan. Nothing is over yet just because of what could possibly happen next.
replyYes, and now they (will) have ads in the lower tiers and eventually will add them in higher tiers as well. It's no different to Netflix's methods. Therefore the statement would have been proven right if it were claimed back then.
replyBut these are, again, additional tiers.
replyYou can't just say because they've added more things the old things are over - the old things actually have to go away first. Eventually they may get there (or not). It may be another few years (or not). Nothing is actually now over though any more than it was now over in 2024.
Additional tiers to get people to move up as they enshittify the lower tiers. We already see it in other companies as well as OpenAI themselves so my inference is based on that, not to wait and see until they do indeed enshittify it.
replyWe do need to wait to see when and if the pre-existing tiers actually enshittify to claim any of that because, yet again, you could have confidently proclaimed the same over a year ago about the previous Pro announcement and been dead wrong + there is not a single bit of this prediction in this announcement yet either. None of that relies on inference or prediction, it's the only actual fact of this conversation so far.
replyNew options you think are crappier coming into existence is wholly unrelated to previous options enshittifying until something of that nature actually happens to those previous options.
The subsidization being "over" would mean we are paying their actual cost or more.
replyI see what you mean, I misread your initial reply.
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