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If Sam Altman told me what time it was I'd check my watch and probably still not believe him.
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Could you spell it out? I pay a $20/m OpenAI subscription and I haven't read the reasons why I might want to stop.
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For what it’s worth, I cancelled my ChatGPT subscription, and every time I try debugging a Linux system issue, I feel sad that Claude is sooooooo confidently bad at it.

Claude is noticeably poor for my use case on this particular issue. That said, I imagine I’m not alone in refusing to continue paying OpenAI. We’re in for a wild ride.

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Do you know game theory? If you look at it through this perspective this doesn't sound like a good strategy.

Basically the classical prisoner dilemma. The other devs with less moral can then outperform you.

It could be a valid strategy if you can increase your crediblity with this relinquishment.

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> Do you know game theory?

Never heard of it. The food there good?

> The other devs with less moral can then outperform you.

I long for the days where it’s only my moral compass holding me back.

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Life is more than just empty status games and money hoarding at (almost) all cost. In fact, a good life lived well (TM) is anything but that.

But I write this on mostly US forum full of faangs and similar so i dont expect strong agreement.

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A lot of folks here will be startup types though, and while there is the idea that you'll make it big, I think day to day people work at startups for the satisfaction.
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Someone who is never rational is equally bad as someone who claims there is nothing else in humans.
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What has the tech industry ever resisted on moral or reputational grounds?
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This is sarcastically-stated but an excellent point, and an honest answer will come up with a vanishingly small list. We geeks may think we care about Important Things, but our industry cares for nothing but money and power — morality is a hindrance to the accumulation of those.
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Worse, they exploit our curiosity and open-mindedness to build their empires for them. Which we willingly do because cool shiny shit.

Nerd-sniping as a weapon of oppression

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llm made this post?
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Because of the em-dash? Unfortunately, some writing hipsters created this "uh actually we were writing emdashes first, it's dramatic increase of use since llm proliferation in the 2020s shouldn't mean we can't use it!" movement. This has lead to purposeful use of emdashes to bait people to call them lllms. You can tell because the spaces around it most likely is because they had to copy and paste it from somewhere else as they (like most humans on non macs) don't actually know how to write an emdash otherwise.
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One example I can think of is Google + Project Maven [1], where Google was partnering with the DoD but "withdrew in 2018 after internal protests". Though they've since partnered with the DoD on other initiatives [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven

[2] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-dep...

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That is probably the most notable example and in the end, those few still lost.
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Maybe it's time to start.
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The difference between Silicon Valley and Wall Street is that Wall Street knows they are lying when they justify the awful things they do in the name of enriching themselves.
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What's with the holier-than-thou attitude? Why do you think you're better than someone using chatgpt?
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People love to roleplay as activists because it gives their life some meaning and illusion of control
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If an AI company has done unethical things do you think it is inappropriate to discuss that? Take Grok: among other things it created sexualized images of underaged women without their consent, not by accident but as a feature. Is that just something you want to ignore? In response the people in charge merely restricted the feature to paid subscribers instead of removing it.

Do you think people who mention grok creating CSAM is a holier-than-thou attitude? Do you not think the people who ignore that are worse than other people?

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I for one am appalled at TCP/IP because it facilitates so much unethical behavior. I of course am holier than thou because I do not ignore this and am a voice that raises awareness. I shall not be silenced!
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I don't see a comment in this thread concretely discussing said unethical things.

Not sure why you felt the need to switch the topic to Grok. About its nudification incident, it seems a bit far stretched to say that malicious actors bypassing its safety controls was not an accident.

Initially, the image features were restricted to paying subscribers to prevent abuse by anonymous actors; this obviously happened while they were tightening safety controls to stop abuse.

If you're going to bring up that old topic, at least try to get the facts straight.

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I switched to grok because its a very cut and dry case of an ai company having poor ethics.

To me it seems a LOT of a stretch to think that the people behind grok belived their safty controls worked, but you can belive that if you wish. Deepfakes of non-consenting adults were trending on X all the time, elon even appears to have shared them himself, which is pretty bad even if they're all just adults, and I'm sure you belive that they belived the AI could tell the difference between an underage person and an adult perfectly, although it seems clear they didn't test it very much.

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I assume in any sort of thread on a topic like this there is going to be inorganic activity. These companies are all fighting rather hard to try to gain marketshare, potentially worth $trillions, with a product fully capable of producing endless reasonably compelling content to populate an account, a website, or any other basic proof of identity one might ever want.

It's probably never been the case that plurality of views meant anything since online is a bubble to begin with, filtered by endless biases wherever we happen to be reading, making it an even more fringe bubble, but the advent of AI has pushed it all over the edge to the point that perceived pluralities are just completely and utterly meaningless. Somewhat depressing for a one who enjoys online chat as a pasttime, but it's the reality of the world now.

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Yeah yeah yeah, everyone's a bot expect you with all the right opinions...
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hehe :)

What's a good way to think about this? Because it does cross my mind about the billions of dollars at play - at the same time, I'm not a pessimist. I think my middle ground is kind of just the usual, taking things with a grain of salt. I mean, I chose to reply to this comment in good faith it's human to human, commenter to unpaid/unaffiliated commenter.

I hope I keep that faith. I hope our billions of neighbors on the web enable me to keep that faith over the coming years. Definitely uncertain about the future of the web but want to love it like I've loved it 1990s-today. (Guess I should volunteer w/the EFF while job hunting, try for for-purpose jobs...)

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I don’t know why you dismiss it. There is plenty of astroturfing here, bots and otherwise.

I believe the rule around here is to not assume everyone who disagrees with you or has opinions you don’t understand is a shill. Perhaps there’s a bit of that in the post you replied to, but to me seems mostly about mourning the loss of quality conversations online.

Gotta say, I agree. Not that things were ever great, but it’s really in the crapper now.

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