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Sorry, hard disagree. Bad faith entirely precludes debate because debate is about updating and improving a position through exchanges of views, and that starts with the ability and willingness to budge from said position in the first place.

Which incidentally means that there is by definition no debating tenants of a position that can't survive one minute of good faith review. They're not there to debate. They're there to drown out and silence a truth about material reality that they're upset about.

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There is no debate. He’s a Nazi and Nazis are bad. There’s nothing to debate.
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Ultimately this approach is what's lead us to a progressively rising right wing.

If you refuse to engage in democratic systems you lose by default.

I'm still not sure why Harris didn't fight to appear on JRE.

Hilary Clinton made the same mistake. And the same mistakes are being made in Europe.

If we turn our back on the voting population you have to accept that someone else who reaches out to them gets their vote.

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> If we turn our back on the voting population you have to accept that someone else who reaches out to them gets their vote.

So you need to start spreading fairy tales too?

A bunch of those votes are from people that don't like what's going on. But if you ask them what they do want, you get blank stares. It's easy to, mostly with hindsight, say what things were bad decisions. It's much harder to be in favor of something because that makes you 'vulnerable'.

To keep it US centric, some person campaigned on cost of living issues and how he would fix them all. He got plenty of votes for that and just doesn't care (paraphrasing).

I can campaign on lower taxes, better healthcare, better schools, higher wages and more jobs.... But unless I have a way to actually get there, accounting for political realities, that doesn't really mean anything...

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Nazis have no desire to be part of any democratic system so engaging with them is ultimately an act turning your back on democracy itself. Popper out.
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"losing by default" on elmu's "X" is actually totally okay

> If we turn our back on the voting population

I don't see how refusing to patronize 1 nazi is "turning your back on the voting population". Especially when the voting population doesn't like nazis. It's more like embracing the voting population.

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But if far right parties are gaining votes - then some voting population is giving votes to them. Or are you saying that far right parties are not Nazis?
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Truth. Unpopular here, but that is the truth.
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