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> The device is largely useless due to a lack of software support.

I think everyone considering an SBC should be warned that none of these are going to be supported by upstream in the way a cheap Intel or AMD desktop will be.

Even the Raspberry Pi 5, one of the most well supported of the SBCs, is still getting trickles of mainline support.

The trend of buying SBCs for general purpose compute is declining, thankfully, as more people come to realize that these are not the best options for general purpose computing.

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> The trend of buying SBCs for general purpose compute is declining,

Were people actually doing that?

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More like people try doing anything other than use the base OS, and realize the bottom-tier x86 mini-PCs are 3-4x faster for the same price, and can encode a basic video stream without bogging down.

If the RPI came with any recent mid-tier Snapdragon SOC, it might be interesting. Or if someone made a Linux distro that supports all devices on one of the Snapdragon X Elite laptops, that would be interesting.

Instead, it's more like the equivalent of a cheap desktop with integrated GPU from 20 years ago, on a single board, with decent linux support, and GPIO. So it's either a linux learning toy, or an integrated component within another product, and not much in between.

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They are cheap and seem like the hardware is good enough. The hardware is, but getting software support very diy.
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They probably define general purpose as anything homelab based that runs on a commodity OS.
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What specifically is lacking?
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Yeah that's the problem with ARM devices. Better just buy a N100
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I gave up on them and switched to a second hand mini pc. These mini desktops are offloaded in bulk by governments and offices for cheap and have much better specs than the same priced SBC. And you are no longer limited to “raspberry pi” builds of distros.

Unless you strictly need the tiny form factor of an SBC you are so much better going with x86.

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I thought N100 equivalent SBC computers like Radxa's, etc., were largely out of stock for quite some time now.
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The N100 is way larger than a OrangePi 5 Max.
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I have a Bosgame AG40 (low end Celeron N4020 - less powerful than the N100 - but runs fanless)[1].

It's 127 x 127 x 508 mm. I think most mini N100 PCs are around that size.

The OrangePi 5 Max board is 89x57mm (it says 1.6mm "thickness" on the spec sheet but I think that is a typo - the ethernet port is more than that)

Add a few mm for a case and it's roughly 2/3 as long and half the width of the A40.

[1] https://manuals.plus/asin/B0DG8P4DGV

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There are quite a few x86-64 machines in the 70mm x 70mm form factor[1], which is close?

1: https://www.ecs.com.tw/en/Product/Mini-PC/LIVA_Q2/

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Lmao the hero background. They photoshopped the pc into the back pocket of that AI-generated woman. (or the entire thing is AI-generated)
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I have an even cheesier competitor, which randomly has a dragon on the lid (it would be a terrible choice for all but the wimpiest casual gaming... but it makes a good Home Assistant HAOS server!)
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I dunno, I hear it‘s easy to put in your pocket and let the computer is everywhere
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welcome to online shopping..
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Also about half as efficient, if that matters, and 1.5-2x higher idle power consumption (again, if that matters).

Sometimes easier to acquire, but usually the same price or more expensive.

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I can run my N100 nuc at 4W wall socket power draw idle. If I keep turbo boost off, it also stays there under normal load up to 6W full power. Then it is also terribly slow. With turbo boost enabled power draw can go to 8-10W on full load.

Not sure how this compares to the OrangePI in terms of performance per watt but it is already pretty far into the area of marginal gains for me at the cost of having to deal with ARM, custom housing, adapters to ensure the wall socket draw to be efficient etc. Having an efficient pico psu power a pi or orange pi is also not cheap.

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Which NUC do you have? A lot of the nameless brands on aliexpress draw 10 watts on idle.
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Not the poster you're replying to, but I run an Acer laptop with an N305 CPU as a Plex server. Idle power draw with the lid closed is 4-5W and I keep the battery capped at 80% charge.
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Well... https://radxa.com/products/x/x4/

It has major overheating issues though, the N100 was never meant to be put on such a tiny PCB.

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They also sell a heatsink for mere $21 (on AliExpress), just in case you don't know how to fit a spare PC cooler onto it.
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The N100 is more expensive, does not come with onboard wifi, and requires active cooling.
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Once you get a case, power supply, and some usable diskspace is the n100 isn't that much more expensive.
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>The device is largely useless due to a lack of software support.

It's pretty hacky for sure but wouldn't classify it as useless. e.g. I managed to get some LLMs to run on the NPU of an Orange pi 5 a while back

I see there is now even a NPU compatible llama.cpp fork though haven't tried it

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Have you taken a look at armbian? If so, what was your experience?

https://www.armbian.com/boards?vendor=xunlong

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I was planning to build a NAS from OPi 5 to minimise power consumption, but ended up going for a Zen 3 Ryzen CPU and having zero regrets. The savings are miniscule and would not justify the costs.
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I thought RK3588 had pretty good mainline support, what's the issue with this board?
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Video, networking, etc. To get working 3588 you’d have to go with a passionate group like MNT, and then you’re paying way more.
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