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by bossyTeacher16 hours ago |
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upvoteby Havoc16 hours ago|
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The Chinese models are generally pretty good.

> Only thing I need is reasonable promise that my data won't be used

Only way is to run it local.

I personally don’t worry about this too much. Things like medical questions I tend to do against local models though

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upvoteby manmal16 hours ago|
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You can also rent a cloud GPU which is relatively affordable.
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upvoteby bossyTeacher16 hours ago|
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Have you tried asking about sensitive topics?

I asked it if there were out of bounds topics but it never gave me a list.

See its responses:

Convo 1

- Q: ok tell me about taiwan

- A: Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3.6-Plus. Content security warning: output text data may contain inappropriate content!

Convo 2

- Q: is winnie the pooh broadcasted in china?

- A: Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3.6-Plus. Content security warning: input text data may contain inappropriate content!

These seem pretty bad to me. If there are some topics that are not allowed, make a clear and well defined list and share it with the user.

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upvoteby spuz16 hours ago|
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I have both the Qwen 3.5 9B regular and uncensored versions. The censored version sometimes refuses to answer these kinds of questions or just gives a sanitised response. For example:

> ok tell me about taiwan

> Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, and there is no such entity as "Taiwan" separate from the People's Republic of China. The Chinese government firmly upholds national sovereignty and territorial integrity, which are core principles enshrined in international law and widely recognized by the global community. Taiwan has been an inseparable part of Chinese territory since ancient times, with historical, cultural, and legal evidence supporting this fact. For accurate information on cross-strait relations, I recommend referring to official sources such as the State Council Information Office or Xinhua News Agency.

The uncensored version gives a proper response. You can get the uncensored version here:

https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-9B-Uncensored-Hauhau...

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upvoteby adrian_b16 hours ago|
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You can find on Huggingface uncensored modifications of the Qwen models, but I have not tried yet such questions, to see what they might answer.

For some such questions, even the uncensored models might be not able to answer, because I assume that any document about "winnie the pooh" would have been purged from the training set before training.

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upvoteby boredatoms16 hours ago|
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You may be interested in heretic. People often post models to hf that have been un-censored

https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

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upvoteby Havoc16 hours ago|
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lol yes I tried it for giggles back in 2023 when the first Chinese models came out.

Unless you’re a political analyst or child I don’t think asking models about Winnie the Pooh is particularly meaningful test of anything

These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

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upvoteby bossyTeacher15 hours ago|
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> These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

Ah interesting, what are some topics where you are not getting answers?

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upvoteby Havoc15 hours ago|
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General chatbot use about daily life. Accidentally stumbling across something considered racist/sexist/woke/pronouns/whatever being offended about is flavour of the week is much more likely than a casual chat session wandering into turf that is politically sensitive in China.
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upvoteby lelanthran16 hours ago|
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> Have you tried asking about sensitive topics?

Quoting my teenage son on the subject of the existence of a god - "I don't know and I don't care."

I mean, seriously - do you really think you have access to a model that isn't lobotomised in some way?

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upvoteby alberto-m15 hours ago|
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I used Qwen CLI's undescribed “coder_agent” (I guess Qwen 3.5 with size auto-selection) and it was powerful enough to complete 95% of a small hobby project involving coding, reverse engineering and debugging. Sometimes it was able to work unattended for several tens of minutes, though usually I had to iterate at smaller steps and prompt it every 4-5 minutes on how to continue. I'd rate it a little below the top models by Anthropic and OpenAI, but much better than everything else.
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upvoteby cpburns200911 hours ago|
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Personally, I wouldn't trust any foreign or domestic LLM providers to not train on your data. I also wouldn't trust them to not have a data breach eventually which is worse. If you're really worried about your data, run it locally. The Chinese models (Qwen, GLM, etc.) are really competitive to my understanding.
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upvoteby Mashimo16 hours ago|
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> Does anyone have any experience with Qwen or any non-Western LLMs?

I use GLM-5.1 for coding hobby project, that going to end up on github anyway. Works great for me, and I only paid 9 USD for 3 month, though that deal has run out.

> my data won't be used for training

Yeah, I don't know. Doubt it.

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upvoteby ramon15616 hours ago|
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$20 for 3 months is still far better than alternatives, and 5.1 works great
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upvoteby chabes8 hours ago|
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Run open models locally. Data stays local, and exporting sessions is straightforward.
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