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You probably are.

The "small subset" argument is profoundly unconvincing, and inconsistent with both neurobiology of the human brain and the actual performance of LLMs.

The transformer architecture is incredibly universal and highly expressive. Transformers power LLMs, video generator models, audio generator models, SLAM models, entire VLAs and more. It not a 1:1 copy of human brain, but that doesn't mean that it's incapable of reaching functional equivalence. Human brain isn't the only way to implement general intelligence - just the one that was the easiest for evolution to put together out of what it had.

LeCun's arguments about "LLMs can't do X" keep being proven wrong empirically. Even on ARC-AGI-3, which is a benchmark specifically designed to be adversarial to LLMs and target the weakest capabilities of off the shelf LLMs, there is no AI class that beats LLMs.

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> Human brain isn't the only way to implement general intelligence - just the one that was the easiest for evolution to put together out of what it had.

The human brain is not a pretrained system. It's objectively more flexible than than transformers and capable of self-modulation in ways that no ML architecture can replicate (that I'm aware of).

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Human brain's "pre-training" is evolution cramming way too much structure into it. It "learns from scratch" the way it does because it doesn't actually learn from scratch.

I've seen plenty of wacky test-time training things used in ML nowadays, which is probably the closest to how the human brain learns. None are stable enough to go into the frontier LLMs, where in-context learning still reigns supreme. In-context learning is a "good enough" continuous learning approximatation, it seems.

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> In-context learning is a "good enough" continuous learning approximatation, it seems.

"it seems" is doing a herculean effort holding your argument up, in this statement. Say, how many "R"s are in Strawberry?

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If you think that "strawberry" is some kind of own, I don't know what to tell you. It takes deep and profound ignorance of both the technical basics of modern AIs and the current SOTA to do this kind of thing.

LLMs get better release to release. Unfortunately, the quality of humans in LLM capability discussions is consistently abysmal. I wouldn't be seeing the same "LLMs are FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED because I SAY SO" repeated ad nauseam otherwise.

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I can ask a nine-year-old human brain to solve that problem with a box of Crayola and a sheet of A4 printer paper.

In-context learning is professedly not "good enough" to approximate continuous learning of even a child.

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You're absolutely wrong!

You can also ask an LLM to solve that problem by spelling the word out first. And then it'll count the letters successfully. At a similar success rate to actual nine-year-olds.

There's a technical explanation for why that works, but to you, it might as well be black magic.

And if you could get a modern agentic LLM that somehow still fails that test? Chances are, it would solve it with no instructions - just one "you're wrong".

1. The LLM makes a mistake

2. User says "you're wrong"

3. The LLM re-checks by spelling the word out and gives a correct answer

4. The LLM then keeps re-checking itself using the same method for any similar inquiry within that context

In-context learning isn't replaced by anything better because it's so powerful that finding "anything better" is incredibly hard. It's the bread and butter of how modern LLM workflows function.

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> it's so powerful that finding "anything better" is incredibly hard.

We're back around to the start again. "Incredibly hard" is doing all of the heavy lifting in this statement, it's not all-powerful and there are enormous failure cases. Neither the human brain nor LLMs are a panacea for thought, but nobody in academia or otherwise is seriously comparing GPT to the human brain. They're distinct.

> There's a technical explanation for why that works, but to you, it might as well be black magic.

Expound however much you need. If there's one thing I've learned over the past 12 months it's that everyone is now an expert on the transformer architecture and everyone else is wrong. I'm all ears if you've got a technical argument to make, the qualitative comparison isn't convincing me.

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why is the breakdown from words to letters your highest priority thing to add to the training data?

what problem does this allow you to solve that you couldnt otherwise?

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> you just limit the space to text

And even then... why can't they write a novel? Or lowering the bar, let's say a novella like Death in Venice, Candide, The Metamorphosis, Breakfast at Tiffany's...?

Every book's in the training corpus...

Is it just a matter of someone not having spent a hundred grand in tokens to do it?

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I know someone spending basically every day writing personal fan fiction stories using every model you can find. She doesn't want to share it, and does complain about it a lot, seems like maintaining consistency for something say 100 pages long is difficult
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I don’t understand - there are hundreds/thousands of AI written books available now.
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I've glossed over a few and one can immediately tell they don't meet the average writing level you'd see in a local workshop for writers, and much less that of Mann or Capote.
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Never mind novels, it can't even write a good Reddit-style or HN-style comment. agentalcove.ai has an archive of AI models chatting to one another in "forum" style and even though it's a good show of the models' overall knowledge the AIisms are quite glaring.
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They definitely can, and do.

It's just that the ones that manage to suppress all the AI writing "tells" go unnoticed as AI. This is a type of survivorship bias, though I feel there must be a better term for it that eludes me.

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Who says they can't? What's your bar that needs to be passed in order for "written a novella" to be achieved?

There's a lot of bad writing out there, I can't imagine nobody has used an LLM to write a bad novella.

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> What's your bar that needs to be passed

I provide four examples in my comment...

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Your qualification for if an LLM can write a novella is it has to be as good as The Metamorphosis?

Yes, those are examples of novellas, surely you believe an LLM could write a bad novella? I'm not sure what your point is. Either you think it can't string the words together in that length or your standard is it can't write a foundational piece of literature that stays relevant for generations... I'm not sure which.

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I don't think it can write something that's of a fraction of the quality of Kafka.

But GP's argument ("limit the space to text") could be taken to imply - and it seems to be a common implication these days - that LLMs have mastered the text medium, or that they will very soon.

> it can't write a foundational piece of literature

Why not, if this a pure textual medium, the corpus includes all the great stories ever written, and possibly many writing workshops and great literature courses?

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I don't know what to tell you. It's more than a little absurd to make the qualification of being able to do something to be that the output has to be considered a great work of art for generations.
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I agree that the argument starts from a reduction to the absurd.

So at least we can agree that AI hasn't mastered the text medium, without further qualification?

And what about my argument, further qualified, which is that I don't think it could even write as well as a good professional writer - not necessarily a generational one?

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>AI hasn't mastered the text medium

I don't know what this means and I don't know what would qualify it as having "mastered" at all. Seems like a no-true-Scotsman thing where regardless there would always be someone that it couldn't actually do a thing because this and that.

>why can't they write a novel?

This is what I'm disagreeing with. I think an LLM can write a novel well enough that it's recognizably a pretty mediocre novel, no worse than the median written human novel which to be fair is pretty bad. You seem to have an unqualified bar something needs to pass before "writing a novel" is accomplished but it's not clear what that is. At the same time you're switching between the ability to do a thing and the ability to do a thing in a way that's honored as the best of the best for a century. So I don't know it kind of seems like you just don't like AI and have a different standard for it that adjusts so that it fails. This doesn't match what you'd consider some random Bob's ability to do a thing.

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I think they're as good as they're going to get from scaling. They can still get more efficient, and tooling/harnesses around them will improve.
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