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Rejecting the government is insurrection, it's the same as becoming a terrorist.
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You are called terrorist only until you win then you are a freedom fighter.

You even may be called freedom fighter from the start if you are trying to displace government in the right country. There are plenty of examples.

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I realize that. I'm just saying that "reject the government" is a radical choice. It's not something the average first world citizen is going to think about. US government has been eroding the freedom of americans for nearly a century now. American citizens have a bigger arsenal than many actual countries out there. And what do they do with all of those weapons? Literally nothing.

Only those who are willing to die have the power to truly change the world. Those who don't want to die are dominated by those who do. The average citizen of a civilized society has a lot to lose. They don't want to die over nothing. They want to get even richer and enjoy an even better life. It's the people who have nothing to lose and everything to gain who are radicalized.

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A terrorist works with terror (fear).

Also at least in democracies you can reject the government without physical violence.

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> A terrorist works with terror (fear).

Extreme, yet I can't deny its effectiveness. How do you radicalize a decadent, apathetic population? People who literally do not give a shit about important issues because they have too much to lose, because they'd have to give up their comfortable lifestyles? Terrorists attack them directly, breaking the illusion that their almighty governments can protect them. They gave up all those freedoms, paid all those taxes, sacrificed their principles, all in the name of security... Only to discover they aren't safe at all. Quite ironic, really. No wonder governments worldwide are willing to pull out all the stops against terrorists.

> Also at least in democracies you can reject the government without physical violence.

Doubt. To me it seems democracies exist just to give people the illusion of choice, not to give them any real power. The reality is people are manipulated by the mass media, their very wants and desires are shaped by it. Censorship is growing world wide, even in "democratic" governments, because they want to reserve the right to shape the population's collective mind. And when even that fails, it turns out every politician answers to the corporations anyway. They literally buy laws via lobbyists. If by some miracle some law gets passed to benefit people at the expense of corporations, the lobbyists swoop in and neuter it with hidden loopholes and fine print.

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> in democracies you can reject the government

No, you cannot. You can reject the current party, but the government is much more than that. In the US, for example, the government is a set of institutions that were put in power in the American revolution. If you try to reject this your own life is at risk.

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I would argue that many people do “reject” the government, but they do so by abstaining from the political process. This is why participation is low. It’s not a direct threat to the government so the government doesn’t do anything.

The U.S. government is confident enough in their appearance of legitimacy that they allow pretty broad liberty to criticize it. This is in contrast to other governments like China or Russia or even Singapore which are much less secure about their legitimacy.

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Learn about the origin of word terrorism (hint: it was term for rogue government acting against its peoples)
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