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Excel is the most widely used document format, database, software runtime, GUI framework and note taking app. It gives Emacs a run for its money in how much you can abuse and overuse one application.
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Six wrongs don't make a right 8)
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LibreOffice Calc: Free Spreadsheet Software for Windows, Mac, and Linux

https://en.libre-office.fr/article.php/libreoffice-calc-free...

give it a go. Ive never had problems for my use case.

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> LibreOffice Calc

Mentioning libreoffice as competitor to Excel and Access is like you haven't understood the market, at all.

Excel is a cross department business automation database, which can sync/pull/push datasets across filesystems and networks.

VBA is the single most used language in Enterprise because it allows to automate pretty much any financial workflow. And more importantly: automated by non-programmers.

Libreoffice is made for private users, and that's not the same users that VBA powered office documents have.

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are you trying to say that i cant use libre, to automate, share, or collaborate datasets across a network?

https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/lo/text/sbasic/shared/vb...

are you trying to say its too hard to step into libre from VBS?

https://libreoffice-basic-reference.readthedocs.io/en/latest...

you can stay with MS if you want, but really you dont have to.

also i didnt mention libre as competitor, but as replacement.

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You can do all those things. But as someone who used VBA extensively and often got hired because of my automation skills, not having VBA and other aspects of excel would be a non-starter.
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your sure?

its really not that hard, and it might be useful, if MS ends up finding that final straw that breaks it for everyone, you would be better off having a head start and level ground, rather than staring up a wall for employment.

i recommend you orient to it, for future proofing.

scripting:

https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/guide/...

API:

https://api.libreoffice.org/docs/idl/ref/annotated.html

BASIC:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/BASIC_Guid...

Working with VBA Macros

https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/lo/text/sbasic/shared/vb...

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The French government decided on Grist as their replacement. It looks pretty promising: https://www.getgrist.com/
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I managed to convince my org to put up a Grist instance. I now use it for everything I would normally use Sheets for, plus a whole lot more. Row/columnwise permissions, file attachments, multiple views over data, python formulas...

It's a db not a spreadsheet but it's basically the tool I actually needed when I would reach for excel.

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I feel like Excel is their one true moat. Everything else is a business play, but Excel is the only truly superior tech compared to the alternatives.
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Besides just being everywhere and being ubiquitous (which isn't really a "tech benefit" anyways) what exactly makes Excel "truly superior tech compared to the alternatives"?
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There’s a lot of features. I think the one I would present is the enormously complex backwards compatibility support. Companies run on .xls / .xlsx files even if developers are offended by how they use and share them.

I think a lot of “just use Libre Office” arguments are much like “just use Linux.” There’s a deep misunderstanding of what the value is with Excel. Being technically equivalent with features scores very few points.

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I've never experienced any compatibility issues with XLS(X) in LibreOffice Calc, and I've been Windows-free for over a decade. Sure, some spreadsheets might have unique functions in it, but I doubt that's the case for the majority over people using Excel.

I'd also argue that Excel is holding back businesses. Instead of storing information in CSVs (for R or Python processing) or SQL, people rely on it when they shouldn't. It's not just that developers dislike Excel, it's that using it frequently causes huge errors:

https://theconversation.com/the-reinhart-rogoff-error-or-how...

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> Sure, some spreadsheets might have unique functions in it

Million and Billion dollar businesses run their whole companies off Excel. They're not really interested in the risk a software change would entail for their companies or individual careers.

> I'd also argue that Excel is holding back businesses.

Agree 100%

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> Million and Billion dollar businesses run their whole companies off Excel. They're not really interested in the risk a software change would entail for their companies or individual careers.

I have heard that but never really observed that.

What you usually really have is a number of execs spending their live micromanaging via excel and annoying in cascade all the hierarchical levels below them with excel reports but only a small fraction of them usually have any real business logic and it wouldn't be complicated to switch to something else.

It is simply the good old resistance to change.

In my first job in IT while waiting for my first unix sysadmin role I did some windows support + migrations, I've seen medical secretaries enter in proper rage because we had replaced word 95 for word 97 and the icons were slightly different. Keyboards were launched against monitors. Even accross variying versions of products of the same editor resistance to change applies.

The biggest challenge with replacing Microsoft is licenses come bundled. With office 365 comes online storage/sharing platform, email, chat platform. If you want to move out you need to find alternatives for all of them and all at the same time otherwise you are paying more for the same thing.

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I don't know are we sure about that? I remember helping users unable to open a spreadsheet that grew too big in excel. Was working fine on openoffice (libreoffice wasn't yet a thing).
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not activedirectory as well?
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