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by pastel873920 hours ago |
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upvoteby anonymars20 hours ago|
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You're asking for proof that effective waterproof phones with removable batteries exist?

https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkRemovableBattery=sele...

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upvoteby nonethewiser20 hours ago|
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You're proving the point.

1) iPhones for example are ip68 rated while those are just ipx8/9

2) Do you want to be limited to the universe of those search results? Do you want to buy a Sony Xperia?

You can't make batteries directly replaceable at the same quality and price. There are tradeoffs. Obviously waterproof non-embedded batteries exist. Just like you could make a removable battery the same slimness as embedded. With massive tradeoffs. It's capacity will be terrible. No one is surprised a removable battery can be waterproof but the point is there are tradeoffs.

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upvoteby anonymars18 hours ago|
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I don't see those options in the search results either way

In any case we heard the same sort of rationalization for getting rid of the headphone jack, so color me extremely skeptical-- yes of course there's going to be trade-offs, but what a coincidence that headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, SD card slots have all gone by the wayside, which just so happens to allow for upselling Bluetooth and cloud storage

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upvoteby 0-_-019 hours ago|
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1 mm thickness is a fine trade-off
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upvoteby fsflover20 hours ago|
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> just ipx8/9

Do you actually need it? For what?

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upvoteby carefulfungi16 hours ago|
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Kinda weird to argue for longer life via battery replacement and against longer life via contaminant protections. My phone is regularly covered in chalk dust, sawdust, water, …
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upvoteby 0xffff219 hours ago|
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No, the list was "Cheaper, higher battery capacity, water proof, smaller, stronger". I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there are engineering tradeoffs to be made here. You can make a waterproof phone with a removable battery, but you can't make a waterproof phone with a removable battery that is as good or better than an iPhone in every other respect too. If you could, iPhones would already have removable batteries.
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upvoteby tempest_18 hours ago|
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> If you could, iPhones would already have removable batteries.

A crazy take since apple has very clearly made anti-consumer moves in the past.

If having a baked in battery caused there to be 1% more iphones sales which would they choose.

You were likely nodding along when Jobs was out there telling people they were holding the phone wrong.

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upvoteby 0xffff217 hours ago|
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My point is that if it's all of those things (crucially, including cheaper), then it's a Pro-Apple move to manufacture iPhones that way. There would be no downside. To the extent they make anti-consumer moves at all (which I'll cede for the sake of keeping this brief), they do so because those moves are pro-Apple.
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upvoteby baggy_trough18 hours ago|
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The crazy take is thinking that a design choice that causes there to be 1% more iPhone sales is an anti-consumer move.
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upvoteby Jensson16 hours ago|
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Planned obsolesce are anti consumer and increases sales. So yes anti consumer design can increase sales volume, that is often the point.

Replaceable batteries lets you use your phone longer, that means people will take longer to buy a new phone and reduce iphone sales. Such anti consumer moves requires regulations to be fixed, since there is no incentive for the company to be pro consumer here.

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upvoteby tempest_16 hours ago|
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The point is that the incentives are not pointing towards "make better phone" they are pointing towards "sell more phones"

Sometimes "better phone" drives "sell more phones"

Sometimes it doesn't.

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upvoteby anonymars16 hours ago|
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Can you explain your reasoning? Is there some minimum sales threshold required, and 2 million iPhones wouldn't meet it?
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upvoteby dntrkv18 hours ago|
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Oh yes, the famous Galaxy XCover 7 Pro. People are camping out in the rain waiting for their release because replaceable batteries are under such high demand.
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upvoteby anonymars18 hours ago|
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So we're moving the goalposts from "these features can coexist" to "such a phone has to be popular"? Why don't you skip to the end and tell me where they're going to end up?

If phones are not for sale with features, how does that allow drawing any conclusion about popularity? I've yet to meet a single person who says, "I sure am glad I can't use fingerprint unlock on my iPhone anymore", but obviously it's not worth leaving the entire ecosystem

Recall also that building Android phones barely makes any money, so it's not exactly a business teeming with disruption

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upvoteby realusername20 hours ago|
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Fairphone managed to do it, I'm sure companies with more budget than them can figure it out.
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upvoteby jhasse19 hours ago|
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Not water proof and definitely big for its capacity.
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upvoteby realusername19 hours ago|
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Yes, hence why I'm sure companies with 100x the budget can do better.
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upvoteby dismalaf20 hours ago|
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It'll increase the size of the case by a small amount but a battery cell is a battery cell... Rip open an old device and you'll see.
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