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>This is obviously a strategic move at a national level.

no it isn't. That's the kind of thing people say who've never worked in the Chinese software ecosystem. It's how the Chinese internet has worked for 20+ years. The Chinese market is so large and competition is so rabid that every company basically throws as much free stuff at consumers as they can to gain users. Entrepreneurs don't think about "grand strategic moves at the national level" while they flip through their copies of the Art of War and Confucius lol

by elorant3 hours ago|

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If this was true then they’d build services around those models and provide those for free or vastly cheaper than western competition. But that’s not what they’re doing. Instead they’re giving away the entire model for free. And by the way, Qwen isn’t build from some random entrepreneur who’s trying to solve the cold start problem, but from Alibaba which is a fucking behemoth. And surprisingly of course none of these models answer uncomfortable questions about China’s past. Because sure enough, the first thing any entrepreneur would think is to protect their government and their history. Sure, happens all the time, no state interference here, move on.

by lossolo1 hours ago|

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> And by the way, Qwen isn’t build from some random entrepreneur who’s trying to solve the cold start problem, but from Alibaba which is a fucking behemoth.

DeepSeek, Kimi, GLM, etc. are not built by behemoths, and they are free. You do not understand China's culture and market.

> And surprisingly of course none of these models answer uncomfortable questions about China’s past.

Download the GLM 5.1 weights and ask about Tiananmen Square, it will tell you what happened.

You are viewing China through a Western lens. I used to do the same many years ago, but after traveling to China many times, I realized that was a mistake.

by salad-tycoon7 minutes ago|

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Excuse me if it’s considered uncouth on here to do this but, I would be interested in your thoughts on what I wrote here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47847600

I saw your comment after I wrote mine.