Huh yeah, that's truly a unique trait these Chinese companies don't share with companies in other countries.
replyNo it is not, but they had a unique positioning around open-source and the parent commenter means that they are losing it.
replyAgain, a trait they share with companies in other countries. It's the obvious business model: get known by releasing impressive open models, then pivot to closed for even more impressive models.
replyThat's going to be the path for every new company from every country, I assume. They are not releasing open models out of the goodness of their hearts. They are for-profit companies, they don't have hearts, they just have balance sheets.
Qwen max has always been cloud only. And its a 1T+ model so it would be expensive
reply> Jacking up pricing. A lot. Sometimes up to 100% increase.
replyHow is that different from American?
Are you talking about GLM 5.1, DeepSeek V3.2 or Kimi K2.6 (released one hour ago!)?
replyOh wait, it doesn't apply to those…
Z.ai's Coding Plan with GLM 5.1 (Max) did more than double in price. It was $80 two weeks ago, and now it's $160.
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replyCoding plans are subsidised crap anyways, the real price win is the API pricing which is not.
replyYet.
replyUS companies hate that trick?!
replyyou mean: invented
replyYeah Claude Haiku (don't remember the version) did it first, they claimed it was because "it's smarter now" (it's still dumb). Then OpenAI did it with GPT-5 and Google did the same with Gemini Flash and now every new model version is at least twice as expensive than the one before that.
replywhat only Oracle can do it?
replyWell, they can't subsidize forever. And, it is kinda expected?
replyConsidering the propaganda value in controlling the inputs to the machine that answers peoples questions, I rather expect them to be subsidized forever.
replyConsider the propaganda value of a centrally-controlled apparatus like the iPhone, and then reflect on the 100%+ profit margins that product has enjoyed for the past decade.
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replyYeah, its almost like the casinos started rigging the game after they got all the addicts hooked. Who saw that coming???
replyIf you overuse LLMs or get excited about them at all, you're ngmi and a complete idiot.