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Yes. Easily. If you proclaim up front that a device is "Linux first", it seems reasonable to suggest that maybe you should tell us about its performance on Linux.

by IshKebab17 hours ago|

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Yeah I mean I don't think they want to say because the numbers are going to be bad, and it's probably not within their power to fix it.

They should probably give the Linux numbers after the Windows ones at least tbf, even if they are bad.

by snarkconjecture16 hours ago|

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I am much more likely to fault them for omitting important information specifically to hide a weak point of the product rather than out of laziness.

by IshKebab5 hours ago|

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It's not a weak point of their product; it's a weak point of Linux.

by rozab14 hours ago|

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In my experience, Linux support on Framework is worse than on a typical ThinkPad, and they don't have much interest in contributing to the ecosystem like System76 does. They still make good products, I'm just very unimpressed with the Linux marketing.

by dangus7 hours ago|

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For me it’s very much “it just works” with pretty much every distro I try. I had to configure zero hardware. How much better am I supposed to expect it to be?

They financially sponsor Linux/OSS projects and give them laptops to test on. What more do you want them to do?

They don’t have a zillion employees like Lenovo who is the #1 volume computer company in the world.

Finally, IMO, System76 is a much worse example because they aren’t focusing on the things Linux needs to grow. Linux doesn’t need contributions like their their silly Ubuntu reskin distro to be popular on the desktop. Instead, Linux needs a company making compatible hardware that is good, attractive hardware that will stop people from buying a MacBook instead.

The System76 lineup is a complete mess of white label Clevo systems. They have no business offering 8 different laptop models. That just tells potential customers “wow, buying a Linux laptop is a lot more complicated than buying a Mac!”

by tredre314 hours ago|

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I agree with you, it would have been nice if their speakers had dedicated hardware to drive them instead of the magical dolby software.

All laptop speakers sound like shit on Linux. I'm sure people will reply with their anecdotal evidence, or pretend that it's not that bad once you have a good EQ. But we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I've spent hours trying to get multiple laptop speakers at least half as good as they sound on Windows. No success. And I'm talking thinkpads, dell xps, the usual linux go-tos, not some exotic stuff.

by muyuu14 hours ago|

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Maybe you have very niche needs, but for most of us speakers on laptops are never great and they're not really there for that. Reminds me of people shopping for high performance scooters. I mean, you're riding a scooter... it's not meant for that.

by aljgz15 hours ago|

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If you are an avid Linux user, you should know that this kind of Criticism is not on point.

Battery life? Should they share all possible config combinations? Should they share the most power-saving setting (and then be blamed for sharing numbers that almost no one gets to reproduce?)

As a Linux user on an AMD FW my battery life is good enough (7ish hours of work), and I never felt I need to tune it further from the OOB Fedora Kinoite.

by ua70914 hours ago|

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They should share the battery life numbers of default shipping configuration while running Linux with whatever settings they want. Then publish the configuration and settings. Same as every other manufacturer.

i.e. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/#footnote-5

by moffkalast18 hours ago|

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Well you know how it is on linux, one wrong move and pulseaudio needs restarting lol.

by nine_k17 hours ago|

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Who does still run pulseaudio when pipewire exists?

by moffkalast15 hours ago|

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People using LTS releases, who do you know... actual work instead of just compiling your kernel over and over.

by nine_k13 hours ago|

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An LTS releases that are soo old usually run on servers, where pulseaudio is not really a thing.

My distro's compile farm compiles kernels for me (thanks guys!), and switched to pipewire years ago.

by jampekka17 hours ago|

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Edit: This is incorrect, as pointed out below.

Pulseaudio still does the device juggling etc on most systems even when there's a pipewire backend.

by sph17 hours ago|

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Wrong. Pipewire is pulseaudio-compatible, and the device juggling is done by wireplumber

by yjftsjthsd-h17 hours ago|

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Are you sure? On every device I could quickly reach (Gentoo, NixOS, Pop OS, all with vanilla/default pipewire configs), `ps aux |grep -i pulse` only turns up pipewire-pulse.

by rjh2917 hours ago|

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At least pulseaudio is pretty much dead now and we have pipewire.

by abdusco17 hours ago|

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https://xkcd.com/927/

by yjftsjthsd-h15 hours ago|

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That is a problem that Linux has, but this is actually one time that it really isn't. Pipewire is flat-out better than pulse, while including sufficient compatibility that it really does just supersede the thing.

by rjh2916 hours ago|

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Yeah pretty funny when apps are using alsa, pulseaudio and pipewire all on the same system!