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by taspeotis12 hours ago |
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upvoteby fnordpiglet11 hours ago|
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Tesla is the free cashflow play that is probably the most important for mars as there is no distilled fermented dinosaur juice on mars, but considerably more by ratio of lithium / oil than the Earth. Our flintstone fire mobiles won’t work so well there, and battery / solar will be important there for everything, including mobility and armies of slave robots.
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upvoteby monocasa10 hours ago|
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Mars gets less sunlight on a good day for solar power; the inverse cube law really hits you harder than you'd think. And that's before accounting for the planet wide dust storms that can last for months.

We're probably looking at nuclear fission generators to get started, then converting to geothermal at any appreciable (and maybe fusion, inshallah).

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upvoteby fnordpiglet7 hours ago|
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Regardless, fission, geo, fusion don’t fit well on a rover. The boring company makes the tunnels, Tesla makes the vehicles and robots, and batteries. Likely we will still use solar despite poor relative performance for bootstrap.
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upvoteby utopiah3 hours ago|
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Right, right, all those facts... that's nothing compare to Musk's genius and will! /s
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upvoteby mandeepj11 hours ago|
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> Elon Musk Mars Conglomerate

That’s SpaceX’s version of Tesla’s self driving car pipe dream

Edit - I use self-driving car and Autopilot interchangeably

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upvoteby jamiequint10 hours ago|
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It's so pipe-dreamy that I used it for an hour today through SF rush hour traffic. Clearly never going to work though, right? right???
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upvoteby SpicyLemonZest9 hours ago|
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Did you follow Tesla's published instructions on how to use it (https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-2CB6080...)? You're explicitly forbidden, for example, from assuming that it's going to make the right decision at intersections; you must manually inspect each intersection and evaluate whether it's "safe and/or appropriate" to continue. You're also not allowed to look away from the road or use your phone. YMMV, but to me that level of required attention doesn't match the term "self-driving".

What I see a lot of people do, unfortunately, is reconcile this contradiction by not following the published limitations of the "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" product. They assume that Elon Musk wouldn't call it that if it couldn't be trusted to do what they expect. Then they get into fatal crashes, and someone sues, and Tesla argues that they can't be held accountable for bad drivers who don't follow the rules.

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upvoteby jamiequint9 hours ago|
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Your claim was that the product doesn't work, and I'm telling you it works without intervention consistently and in complicated traffic situations.

Any argument about how people don't pay enough attention since it isn't yet certified as a L4 system is irrelevant and tangential to the point.

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upvoteby mandeepj8 hours ago|
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Your definition of Tesla's self-driving product is very different than what Tesla itself promised, and that's what the person you are replying to...is telling you as well.
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upvoteby jamiequint8 hours ago|
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Anyone who thinks it is pipe dream given how it works today + rate of change is clueless, and that is putting it kindly.
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upvoteby SpicyLemonZest8 hours ago|
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I don't think L4 autonomy is a pipe dream. Indeed, it exists today and is widely available in the same city you drove your Tesla in. I think it's a pipe dream for Tesla specifically to achieve it, because for bizarre and idiosyncratic reasons Elon Musk won't let them use LiDAR or mount a roof sensor. They've been stuck at L2 for a decade now, and I don't see much reason to think that making that system incrementally more reliable will ever "unlock" L4.
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upvoteby jamiequint7 hours ago|
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In practice, Tesla on HW4 drives indistinguishably different from Waymo.
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upvoteby SpicyLemonZest7 hours ago|
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It does! A system which drives indistinguishably different from Waymo 99.999% of the time is L2. You might very well never experience that unlucky 1 mile in 100,000, but if there's 1M Teslas on the road driving a daily average of 33 miles, it's going to happen hundreds of times each day. An L4 system must guarantee that it can come safely to a stop before human intervention is required, and I don't think you can achieve that guarantee by pushing the nines on an L2 system.
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upvoteby jamiequint6 hours ago|
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I've been in Waymos that have needed teleop rescue multiple times in the last year so by that metric it's not a L4 system either.
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upvoteby ignoramous11 hours ago|
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Isn't Tesla FSD good enough and trending in the right direction to be called a "pipe dream"?
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