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Are third world users opinions of lesser value?
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Are there distinct third world opinions in one direction or the other? I've tended to assume they are non-unitary rather than broadly converging on one side or the other.
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When people from developing countries praise China and communism while criticizing the United States and claiming “Europe is the same,” I find it hard to take their views seriously.

I think their stance often comes from a strong anti-Western bias, and sometimes from feelings of resentment.

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Is it possible that you're missing something or not fully understanding their viewpoint?
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As someone coming from the Second world (Eastern Bloc), lived in the First world (Western Europe) and now living in the Third World (SEA Tropics), I'd say that in my opinion, a lot of the Westeners are so inherently arrogant that they don't even realize that. Some of these people would rather die from own arrogance, rather than imagining the other point of view.
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Certainly, just as much is true in reverse, or in every direction for that matter, which is why we end up falling back to substance.
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The third world has the hustle and vitality that the US is slowly losing. We ignore that at our own peril.
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Hustle and vitality borne out of generally horrible conditions. I'll take what the "first world" has any day.
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Hard times make for strong men (and women)...

This might be cliche, but it has truth to it. Nothing drives production and innovation quite like scarcity and financial adversity.

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Yep. And then it reverses, and then again, and again...
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Well, that is what's in the ellipsis in the parent's quote:

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" G. Michael Hopf

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Nonsense. Most third world countries have downright "lazy" cultures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siesta (note that this is common basically all through the equator even with different names, and being close to the equator is a great way to be a third world country).
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Just for context on "laziness", do you work at a desk all day? Second question, how many animals have you personally killed prior to cleaning and cooking?
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Is this supposed to be sarcasm?
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It truly depends on perspective. I can think of a lot of nations that are rightfully critical of American leadership, especially economically. Investment vehicles like data science and cryptocurrency has given the United States a reputation for spinning fake technology out of thin air. Chinese LLMs positively contribute to the market economy and incentivize American AI businesses to work harder.

I take these concerns seriously as a voting American. My 401k is worthless if the US continues to reward anticompetitive monopolies.

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And then westerners wonder why they're disliked in the rest of the world...
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You are on a Western website.
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What's that got to do with them not liking us?

Serious question.

Studying adversaries is, generally speaking, accepted military wisdom among the commissioned ranks of most of the planet's armies.

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There is not such a thing. That's the point. Everyone is welcome on the internet, where information wants to be free. I still believe that, even if it is no longer fashionable.
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> Everyone is welcome on the internet, where information wants to be free.

Well, except in some countries where they wall themselves off from everyone else.

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Oh yeah? Weird. I just went into Zhihu, read a few posts, commented on others. I guess the Chinese communist party will poison me anytime soon.
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Nice! Now go on Zhihu and ask someone in China to do the same with Facebook or Twitter, sans VPN.
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Opening of the internet WAS a mistake. During times when whole countries (you know which ones) get geoblocked, the internet (especially online gaming) gets a lot better.
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FWIW, I am a lifelong American citizen and I exclusively use Chinese AI models for programming because I consider Claude and Codex to be highway robbery for the price.

Trust whoever you want, I just don't have the patience (or money) for American models.

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> I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake.

Yeah, I also really hate when poor people think they're allowed to talk.

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China never threatened this: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.". Also China never announced that it was going to attack Europe. I trust them much more compared to a malignant narcissist that doesn't care if the whole world burns now that he doesn't have much left to live.
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Xi Jinping really doesn't have to do anything but sit back and let Trump make a pro-China argument for him. It's like that "Do Nothing, win" meme:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/352/212/95b...

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Honestly the China scare mongering is borderline hilarious. The US has literally attacked two countries this year in the span of weeks and is blockading another causing needless deaths. Not too mention the last 50 years of US imperialism making the world a worse place for everyone, except to benefit the few (doesn't benefit Americans, only capitalists).

The idea that China is worse than America is laughable. LMK when China invades 5 countries in a span of 20 years unimpeded by anyone else in the world and maybe I'll be scared.

Until then it's quite clear how consumers benefit from actual competition and it's not because of the US.

Also you saying you trust the US when they just threatened to invade Greenland (a threat so credible that Denmark was planning a full scale resistance against US troops).

Sorry but the curtains are truly coming down and the US will become one of the most hated nations in the world while 100s of millions will needlessly starve and die because of the actions of Americans that simply don't give a fuck.

FWIW, I'm not just talking about Trump either. Democratic politicians are just as much to blame, they champion corporatism and imperialism as much as Republicans and the only issues D leadership seems to have is that the "right process" wasn't being followed.

I say this as someone who is a literal democratic operative within the party.

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So you're good with the takeover of Hong Kong and what they're doing with the Uyghurs? I think you're getting a pretty biased feed of news. I'm not saying China is the devil, but the trite "USA bad because [overhyped recent news]" is a crazy take. There's plenty of bad stuff that has been done by Americans you could have called out.
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Did you miss the part where Iran spent the past 50 years promising to develop nuclear weapons and then use them on both Israel and America, or do just choose to conveniently ignore that when you go on rants like this? In one of the last rounds of talks before the war Kushner and Witkoff offered Iran free nuclear fuel in perpetuity in exchange for the weapons grade uranium and got turned down, so clearly the Iranians weren’t just bluffing.

This war could have been handled much differently and better, but acting like America attacked Iran for no reason is laughable. It is in fact America’s inexplicable reticence to kill Iranian civilians that is the reason this is going on for this long. America could have ended this in a few days if it had stopped worrying about being criticised by the rest of the world that hates it anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa...

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> Did you miss the part where Iran spent the past 50 years promising to develop nuclear weapons and then use them on both Israel and America

The Ayatollah had a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons. You are just making things up.

> In one of the last rounds of talks before the war Kushner and Witkoff

No, they didn't. They lied and sabotaged the talks. The diplomacy, much like right now, was to misdirect Iran. Which is why they refuse to negotiate now.

> America could have ended this in a few days

Ahh, the fascist delusion. Violence overcomes all.

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Not that you care, but for others that might, the nuclear fuel offer was reported by the NYT and other outlets, including The Economist, that can't in any way be accused of pandering to the Trump admin.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa...

> At one point, they offered the Iranians free nuclear fuel for the life of their program — a test of whether Tehran’s insistence on enrichment was truly about civilian energy or about preserving the ability to build a bomb. The Iranians rejected the offer, calling it an assault on their dignity.

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LOL I'm sorry but I can't believe people whole heartedly swallow such propaganda.

"but tHeY PLANn3d for 50 years!!11!" HAHAHAHA.

Have a good life dude.

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There is no morality at Country level. The talk about values, morality, just world is only a lip service and pretty much every smart person knows this. If you still want to hold a country for moral standards, our own dear USA's standards would be pathetically low. One example - we force and demand every other country to use USD as the reserve currency. If anyone considers the alternative, we follow the usual routines (bombing, hacking, kidnapping, Tarrifs, coercing, currency sabotage, etc). If two countries in some remote corner of world want to exchange goods and transact in their own local currency, what legal rights does the USA have to stop it and force them to use USD? and punish them if they do not listen? Just because we are aligned with Western Europe, do not assume moral high grounds.
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> If two countries in some remote corner of world want to exchange goods and transact in their own local currency, what legal rights does the USA have to stop it and force them to use USD?

China and Russia trade in yuan and rubles. India and Russia do oil deals in rupees. China and Brazil trade in yuan. The US hasn't bombed any of them.

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Yes, we have not' bombed them because they are too big. But, we tried every other option. Pressurize them, sanction them. US Treasury even targeted the ships used for their trade, blocked insurance companies from insuring the route, targeted banks/people/entities for sanctions and did all sort of underground dirty work. Because of all this, the India-Iran oil deal is only intermittent, not continuous. There are windows of time where India/Iran are permitted to trade oil. Similar stories involving Russia. Their Stablecoin exchanges get hacked, people disappear. If you dig deeper, you will know more about SWIFT, Plaza Accord and other ways of how USA bullies the world.

Can you tell any smaller/weaker neighboring countries trading in their own local currency? Can Vietnam trade with Cambodia skipping the USD? not just for denominations, but the actual trade itself.

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I don't see any sense in trusting the US more than China. There are arguably as many arguments to say the US is horrible as the current dominant country as China would be. If anything, a multipolar world would be more positive, specially to the EU, as currently the EU is just US's bitch, and has to live by appeasing Mr. Donny, as done in the stupid trade deal signed by Von Der Leyen.

Also, feeling the opening of the internet as a mistake show the degree of your ignorance, people from third world countries also have the right to speak as much as you do, your opinion is not more valid than anyone else's.

For context, I am Italian-Brazilian, so I pretty much have been exposed to both sides (western and non-western, even though we can argue that Brazil is more west aligned).

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