Yep. Way more than half of the people I interview can't even do a very basic FizzBuzz, even with guidance. Those are people with a degree, job experience and reference letters.
replyWhat did you study?
replyComputer Science.
replyI see. Computer Science is not an engineering degree and it is not about programming. That's what Software Engineering degrees are for.
replyMost CS programs have software dev in their curricula; I don't think it's wild to expect a CS student to code FizzBuzz.
replyYes, but overall it's still a science degree and not an engineering degree.
replyI graduated in 2006 in CS, and I had at least 5 or 6 software development classes. We also had electives, which included DB design and algorithms. Many of the higher-level classes allowed us to use any language of our choice as well.
replyI was self-taught since I was 15, so most of these classes were just review for me. I met lots of people that didn't know how to code as seniors (and never ended up getting a job in their field).
Many of the top schools don't have software/computer engineering degrees, rather people who want to be SWEs get CS degrees.
replyYes, you're right. And that's a problem.
replySoftware engineers graduates I've met are usually much worse at programming than computer science graduates.
replyI'm gonna strongly +1 on this.
replyMost of the "Software Engineering" curricula I've seen is catered towards "getting a job as a programmer", and is mostly focused on languages, frameworks and outdated processes.
As an engineer in another discipline, there's no engineering there.
I would rank like this: Computer Science > Self Taught > Software Engineering.
I might go as far as saying that SE is dogmatic. And the dogma is usually very outdated. Not necessarily useless, though.
replyThat too
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