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by dlubarov2 days ago |
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upvoteby cma2 days ago|
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> They can just get married abroad.

They don't have to if they are one of the approved religions. That's a restriction on religious freedom.

> since Israel recognizes Jewish marriages only under orthodox rabbis

I don't get how is this evidence of religious freedom.

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upvoteby wolvoleo2 days ago|
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And religion and marriage really shouldn't have anything to do with one another. Atheists can marry too.
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upvoteby nkmnz2 days ago|
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They can. It’s called a civil union. Complaining about marriage laws in Israel in this uninformed way is just an antisemite dog whistle.
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upvoteby wolvoleo2 days ago|
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A civil union is not the same as a marriage. And I'm not just talking about Israel.
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upvoteby nkmnz1 days ago|
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Ideally, this is true:

marriage = civil union + religion

Of course everyone should be free to call their civil union whatever they like and the government shouldn’t differentiate at all if your civil union has a religious blessing as well. Just because some governments appropriated the religious terminology and/or the civil union developed from a union sanctioned by a priest doesn’t mean that a government needs to guarantee everyone a religious marriage. To the contrary. Everyone should be able (and required) to register the civil union if they want to be treated as married by the state. I’m not here to defend the status quo of all the laws in Israel - I’m here to emphasize that your reading of the laws about civil unions and marriages in incomplete and the standards you apply to Israel are a hundred times higher than those you seem to apply to any other country. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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upvoteby cma1 days ago|
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Israel's domestic civil unions have restrictions on interfaith couples, and common-law/reputed spouse outside of that system doesn't grant the same citizenship pathway, though they can become residents.

A marriage isn't just a state recognition of a civil union as religious, interfaith marriages between recognized religion and non-recognized have to marry abroad to get the similar rights, with special exclusions on this pathway if the immigrant spouse is from the West Bank or Gaza.

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upvoteby IAmBroom2 days ago|
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So, not a religiously free state, as OP said.
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upvoteby dlubarov1 days ago|
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It's not like it's designed to be discriminatory. In practice it's Jews that are most affected (if they don't conform to strict Orthodox rules), so if anything it's discriminatory against Jews, which wouldn't make much sense.

For a much more serious example of lack of religious freedom, we could look to Palestinian law, which only permits Islamic or Christian marriages. Not to mention that selling land to a Jew is high treason.

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