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That is not how responsibility works anywhere. If you are stealing a gun and murder someone with that gun, you are still responsible, even if it is not your gun.
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Well, you are responsible for the consequences. Liability is simply a different thing than copyright.
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The copyright office says that you don't get copyright because you're not considered the author:

https://www.copyright.gov/ai/

>The Office concludes that, given current generally available technology, prompts alone do not provide sufficient human control to make users of an AI system the authors of the output. Prompts essentially function as instructions that convey unprotectible ideas. While highly detailed prompts could contain the user’s desired expressive elements, at present they do not control how the AI system processes them in generating the output.

If you're not the author then why would you have to be liable for it?

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> If you're not the author then why would you have to be liable for it?

If you do not understand this make sure that you always operate within a framework of people who do because this soft of misunderstanding can cause you a world of grief.

Because you are the person shipping it, and as such regular liability applies. If I'm not the author of a book, and make a lot of copies and distribute those I'm liable for the content of that book, regardless of whether or not I hold the copyright to it. Conversely, if the original author sues because they feel their work infringes then that too is a liability that stems from the distribution.

And 'distribution' is a pretty wide term, not unlike 'interstate commerce', lots of things that you might not consider to be distribution can be classified as such in court.

Different laws do not come in packages, they apply individually, and sometimes they apply collectively but it isn't a menu where you can pick the combination that you think makes the most sense.

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Oh, I do understand it - laws are contradictory and can do whatever people shout out the most that they should do (but they don't always work that way). I just think that it is extremely bad when laws work this way.

Technically when you select "copy image" instead of "copy image url" and paste that to a friend you're often committing copyright infringement. Do I think this is reasonable? Absolutely not. The same goes for this - the author should hold liability, so make the person who ends up causing the work to exist the damn author.

But nooo, we can't have that. Instead we need to have these convoluted exceptions that don't at all work how the real world works, so that lawyers can have even more work.

Besides, if we go by "the law" then we already have a court case where training an AI model is protected by fair use. But obviously that isn't satisfying enough for people, so they keep talking about how it's stealing (refer to my first sentence).

Also, this situation is going to get funny when some country decides that AI generated content does get copyright protection.

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> Oh, I do understand it - laws are contradictory and can do whatever people shout out the most that they should do (but they don't always work that way). I just think that it is extremely bad when laws work this way.

You are completely misunderstanding GP's distinction between ownership and liability.

In short, if you use someone else's car to kill someone, you are still liable for killing that person even though you don't own the car.

Do you disagree with that statement?

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You can't really argue that things are in a certain way when that contradicts the way the law works, that's a recipe for disaster. The rules have been set, you can disagree with them and then you will be forced to litigate, which is both expensive and time consuming. Purposefully going against the grain is only for those with extremely deep pockets (and for lawyers...).

> Besides, if we go by "the law" then we already have a court case where training an AI model is protected by fair use.

Yes, but training an AI is a completely different thing than distributing the work product generated by that AI.

Note that I don't agree with all aspects of copyright law either, but I'll be happy to play by the rules as set today simply because I can't afford to be wrong and held liable for infringement. For instance I strongly believe that the length of copyright is a problem (and don't get me started on patents, especially on software). I also believe that only the original author should have copyright, not the company they worked for, their heirs (see Ravel for a really nasty case) or anybody else. I believe they should not be transferable at all.

But because I'm a nobody and not wealthy enough to challenge the likes of Disney in court I play by the rules.

As for 'this situation is going to get funny when some country decides that AI generated content does get copyright protection':

Copyright is one of the most harmonized legislative constructs in the world. Almost every country has adopted it, often without meaningful change. In practice US courts are obviously a very important driver behind changes in copyright law. But in general these changes tend to lean towards more protection for copyright owners, not less. So far the Trump admin has not touched copyright law in their usual heavy handed manner. I'm not sure if this is by design or by accident but maybe there are lines that even they can not easily cross without massive consequences.

Some parties in the AI/Copyright debate are talking about two sides of their mouth, for instance, Microsoft is heavily relying on being able to infringe on copyright at will but at the same time they are jealously guarding their own code. Such hypocrisy is going to be the main wedge that those in favor of strong copyright are going to use to reduce the chances that AI work product deserves copyright, after all, if it is original and not transformative then Microsoft could (and should!) train their AI on their own confidential code. But they're not doing that, maybe they know something you and I do not...

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If you hold an illegal party on public land, you would still be liable, even though you did not own the land.
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But that's not at all a comparable situation though, because it is your party. It doesn't matter where it is, we assign "ownership" of the party to you. Even the language we use explicitly states that. In the case of copyright, we explicitly states (by the copyright office), that you are not the author of an AI generated work.

Same point goes to if an animal takes a picture.

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In some places simply not keeping the public street in front of property ice-free can incur liability, even when you are not actually there when it snows. There are so many such examples I'm kind of surprised to see this kind of confused argument made here.
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