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I’m not OP but I just want to point out that navigation doesn’t need to mean I am always sharing telemetry with multiple third parties

I have a garmin watch which is great for overland hiking, multiple day expeditions etc

I download the maps and the watch has GPS to plot where I am on that map. My watch doesn’t have an eSIM at all.

Rivian is an adventure brand so if they wanted to design a maps system like that, where I am not continually downloading tiles from open maps or google and sending my location to them and others, they probably could

I just don’t think they have space for those types of features most people don’t care about while they are trying to compete in a rough industry and deliver new vehicles

by samplatt10 hours ago|

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It's telling just how completely successful the social media revolution has been, when we don't remember that two short decades ago 3rd-party car navigation options that relied on maps loaded on the device and GPS input and that's all. No SIM cards (though they could have done so at the time), no telemetry.

The experience was even comparable to today's experience - I've been auto-routed around a road closure, like, twice in 5 years? And it _failed_ to route me around a road closure probably twice as well?

by kelnos15 hours ago|

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Why would you be sharing that? There's no reason why the navigation system needs to constantly tell a remote system where you are. Navigation systems don't even need an Internet connection for basic routing.

by smotched7 hours ago|

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Navigation through gps means you're connected to a satelite at all times. has nothing to do with an internet connection. You're directly connected to the U.S. government (Space Force)

by lefra6 hours ago|

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A GPS receiver is passive, it doesn't send any signal to the satellites. The satellite broadcast their position and what time it is from their point of view, and the receiver computes its position from that.

Also, there are now several countries that sent positioning constellations (obviously to not have to rely on the US for positioning), and most receivers support several: GPS (US), Galileo (Europe), Glonass (Russia), Beidu (China).