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You are conflating several unrelated issues. In your previous post, you expressed how you wish PERM worked ("I also think that doing layoffs in the US should disqualify you from doing any PERM or sponsoring any visa for 2-3 years."), to which my response was why have PERM at all. You are still talking about how you wish the world worked. There are a lot of shoulds in your reply. PERM, H-1B, etc. all exist as a carefully brokered compromise bw different factions that want different things. It is the correct amount of broken by design. Posting in a Sunday newspaper is a requirement in the regulations. Everyone is in the right amount of compliance to maintain equilibrium. There are any number of things that could be or should be, but aren't.
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> People from certain countries (particularly India) have to wait 10-15+ years because of abuse of the system.

Well, the abuse is mostly happening for the benefit of people from India.

But yes, it sucks that the "good" people from India have to wait a long time because of the system being abused to get the "not-so-good" Indians.

Keep in mind, though, that you're conflating H1-B with PERM. There isn't a 10-15 year wait for H1-B.

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isnit right to call it abuse?

certain employers can use h1bs to fill specific employment needs really well, and have a ton of experience with both sourcing foreign labour and matching it to work that needs doing in the US.

its doing exactly what the program is looking for, filling a labour quantity at the price employers are looking for.

The US government is optimizing for being able to do some volume of technical work, and the the h1 is intended to make sure that the industry isnt limited by labour availability. its not particularly abusive to do that in an efficient way where the same h1b can serve many businesses

the alternative thats coming is going to be moving a lot of the work to india and instead having the local engineers be liasons for where the real work is happening

people in india havw to wait long periods because the green card system of country limits has no per capita normalization, not because of h1 visa abuse. its sheer volume of good people working for american companies in america, wanting to stay in america. Your anti-abuse metrics will bring it down from 15 years to 13 or 14. not a meaningful difference

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Nothing will convince me that the likes of Tata and Infosys are a good use of H1Bs. And because they flood the system with H1B applications, other actually valuable positions go unfilled.

If the customers for these bodyshops could save money by outsourcing directly to India, they would've already.

And beyond those big bodyshops you have any number of smaller H1B fraud schemes eg [1][2][3][4].

If you're Indian-born and are waiting 10-15+ years for your green card then you should be mad about these companies because they're making your life more difficult.

> The US government is optimizing for being able to do some volume of technical work, and the the h1 is intended to make sure that the industry isnt limited by labour availability

First, I disagree with this claim. The US government is optimizing to suppress wages.

Second, when there's significant unemployment in the sector then there is by definition availability. It further goes to my argument that the main purpose is to suppress wages.

[1]: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edca/pr/east-bay-men-plead-guil...

[2]: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/h-1b-visa-fraud...

[3]: https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/executives-staffing-compa...

[4]: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/sunnyvale-man-to-serve-1...

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>when there's significant unemployment in the sector then there is by definition availability

Humans aren't fungible.

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