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> I think it's also unfair to say their success is solely due to stealing data.

Their models would be completely useless if they didn't train on stolen data, so no, it's not unfair at all.

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Name one company selling AI models who didn't steal their data or aquire it through dubious or unethical means?

If anything it's a Robinhood story.

Regardless I doubt they would be useless at all. Alibaba has access to tons of data and they make qwen. Qwen models are insane for their size.

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> Name one company selling AI models who didn't steal their data or aquire it through dubious or unethical means?

That's what I said. I was absolutely referring to OpenAI and Anthropic as well as the Chinese models.

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