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Or simply they haven't heard much about it at all, don't care, and chalk it up to OP being some sort of an odd hipster.

Man, so many things could be better if people cared.

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If Mozilla fired its CEO for a private political donation from 10 years earlier, it will not hesitate to do much worse to its users. Mozilla isn’t on the good side here.

He’s the founder of Brave, by the way.

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    He’s the founder of Brave, by the way.
You mean that Chrome browser re-skin that mines crypto without your consent?

    a private political donation from 10 years earlier
Yeah, he was only a bigot 10 years ago! I'm sure it's changed now.
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16-18 years ago. Is bigotry always a permanent condition?
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At that time, it was 10 years ago, which is what I was responding to.

    Is bigotry always a permanent condition?
Yes, people famously change more as they get older. Eich was already a man in his 40s at that point in time. He also doubled-down instead of acknowledging any wrongdoing.
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I mean ... frankly, and I say this as a guy who's used solely Firefox since before it was Firefox all the way until 2025 when I finally got sick & tired of their shit... (now on WaterFox because I refuse to submit to the Google browser monopoly)

... Mozilla absolutely did this to themselves. Come think of it, they really remind me of what Microsift's been doing with Windows.

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I still don't understand what problem you guys have with Firefox. I really don't, and comments like yours are always very vague and seem to assume that it's obvious.

For me Firefox is (slightly) better than is used to be, not by a wide margin but it's not gotten worse either.

I've been running it since it was Phoenix so I think my experience is at least somewhat valid, which is why I'm so confused by these comments.

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You’re not alone. Been a user for years and I still don’t get the hate.

Having said that, I keep a copy of Ungoogled Chromium for those websites that refuse to test against FF.

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Could you list some of the major grievances you have with Firefox? I haven't been following the news very closely
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The more time goes on the more I feel like I live on a different planet. Even things like "shouldn't you be able to decide what software you run on the stuff you own?" gets blank stares.
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Is anyone disagreeing with that statement?
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Hello fellow extraterrestrial
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Old heads checking in... Back in my day, we had an exposed file hierarchy and we liked it!
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I still remember "oh my friend's iphone has a nice camera, how can I send myself that picture he took with bluetooth?" and being... a bit surprised that it wasn't really possible.
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I’ve been using Firefox for 20+ years and continue to do so, but let’s not pretend that Firefox hasn’t been an embarrassing shit show for most of the past 15.
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10x better than safari and it won’t consume all my RAM like google, so not sure it you’re just repeating what you heard or if you mean what you said
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I’ve been a Safari user for over 20 years. Every year or so I go on a journey to switch to something else. I’ve use Firefox (LibreWolf, IceWeasle, etc), Chrome (Edge, Arc, etc), Camino, OmniWeb, Orion, Opera (I was primarily an Opera user before Safari), and more. At work I use Edge for weird corporate reasons that I’m not thrilled about.

I always end up coming back to Safari for personal use. It seems to do the best job getting out of my way. I am annoyed by how Safari now handles browser extensions. I’d like them to take a page out of Orion’s book and support both Firefox and Chrome extensions. However, I generally have very few extensions, as they tend to slow things down, so this has been a relatively minor issue. The main things I’ve wanted extensions for in other browsers (like word lookup) have come out of the box in Safari (or Apple platforms as a whole) for quite a long time.

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> 10x better than safari and it won’t consume all my RAM like google

Using the 3 regularly, no, Firefox is not "10 times better than Safari". Though, yes, Chrome(ium) is a ressource hog.

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I'd recommend checking out WaterFox. It's what I switched to when I finally got sick & tired of Mozilla's shit.
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i really feel like trying this out as a quasi-firefox user, but i've really started to love and appreciate Zen for its UI :( wonder if there's a Waterfox X Zen alternative.

EDIT: whoops, should've scrolled down a bit on the website, looks like Waterfox has vertical tabs as well. damn, probably going to try to migrate to it sometime soon...

EDIT2: of course supports firefox extensions as well, perfect.

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Firefox has vertical tabs as well, and it is a lot less bloated that the extension one I was using.
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People keep saying this like it's just conventional wisdom we all supposedly agree with. I think it's a string of tech articles and spiraling comment sections searching for drama that's kind of been a self-perpetuating phenomenon over the past 3 or 4 years the majority of which I think has been extremely unfair and mostly just based on vibes. If you actually scroll through HN and read the criticisms, they tend to trail off into vague phrases like "all the stuff they've been doing".

If people read the release notes instead of the comment sections, not only would they have a lot more specific knowledge of the work going into the browser but they wouldn't be locked in this cycle of outrage and escalation that normally you only see in YouTube comment sections.

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Ok, then. What shitshow? Does it not pale in comparison to Chrome and Edge?
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