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by jeroenhd4 hours ago |
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upvoteby expedition322 hours ago|
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Mozilla is nice enough to let you opt out.

I'm in my 40s I have no desire for this new technology unless we get the kind of AI from Japanese anime.

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upvoteby ElFitz2 hours ago|
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Offering something like a local Gemma 4 (though apparently not what we get here) to web apps via a browser API could change UX quite drastically. Possibly for the better. We had a project where it could have been nice.
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upvoteby notabotiswear2 hours ago|
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I, being a Firefox user with practically zero Chromium use, would air my grievances when the Mozilla does something I disagree with more than I would when Google does. And I would expect that most Firefox users are of the kind who have strong opinions about how their computers work.

You wouldn’t throw the same fit if [insert dictator you don’t have high expectations of here] shot a hundred random civilians compared to if your government did, no?

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upvoteby einpoklum14 minutes ago|
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> would air my grievances when the Mozilla does something I disagree with more than I would when Google does.

Mozilla doesn't care about your grievances. It collects lots of telemetry about you by default, and has recently officially removed the obligation not to sell your personal data to third parties etc. It also plans to "introduce AI" into its browser.

> And I would expect that most Firefox users are of the kind who have strong opinions about how their computers work.

On the contrary. Those people have moved on, or are in the process of moving on, from Firefox itself to more privacy-minded forks. Like Palemoon, LibreWolf and maybe Mullvard.

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upvoteby nalekberov3 hours ago|
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> When Google stuffs AI into everything, people shrug. Can't expect anything else from big tech.

Because this is something expected from Google. Google has never committed to security, but Mozilla did.

EDIT: I meant privacy, not security.

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upvoteby The_Rob2 hours ago|
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Google has invested significantly in security. I believe you are referring to privacy?
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upvoteby dspillett2 hours ago|
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This is a significant point. To many people security includes privacy, which is a fair assumption: in a non-evil timeline user privacy will be one of the first-class components high on the priority list for being secured. Unfortunately companies and the people high up running them only care about their own privacy¹, everyone else is expected to be grateful that we are being stalked so we can be targetted for sales purposes.

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[1] Follow one of them around the way they track us online, or let out a bit of information about, for example, their tax affairs, and see how fast lawyers or law enforcement arrive on your doorstep…

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upvoteby CalRobert2 hours ago|
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Having rock-solid security for quietly transferring all of your deeply personal and private data to Google feels like a win for the pedants, but a loss for everyone else.
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upvoteby nalekberov2 hours ago|
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Oh, you right, thanks for pointing this out. Indeed, I referred to privacy.
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upvoteby jeroenhd2 hours ago|
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Google has invested massively into security. On various platforms (non-Chromium Linux excluded), Google Chrome uses advanced defence-in-depth that make Chrome much more secure than Firefox on the same machine. Their origin-based process separation make Chrome a memory hog but protect tab processes from each other in a way Firefox doesn't bother with just yet.

Chrome may be a privacy nightmare, but in terms of security it beats Mozilla.

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upvoteby einpoklum13 minutes ago|
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Defense is not very meaningful if your browser is provided by one of the parties you need to defend yourself yourself _against_.
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