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That's great until it's some essential government, medical, educational, etc. service that you have either no alternative to or no alternative that isn't also using the same thing. I'm already being slowly and incrementally softlocked out of some (fortunately non-essential so far) sites either by cloudflare or other more subtle "anti-bot" networks as time goes on, including some like I've listed above. I can only expect this will continue until it's something I can't avoid.
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> That's great until it's some essential government, medical, educational, etc. service

At which point you should contact your attorney general, and work to ensure such efforts face legal challenges at every turn.

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For some reason, I'm softlocked from booking tickets from Deutsche Bahn. The website errors out with a cryptic "Your browser's behavior resembles that of a bot." message with no option to try again or pass a captcha or whatever. The website itself described several possible solutions but none helped (I tried using different computers, different internet connections, even a phone connected to internet using a SIM from a different country).

As for now, when I need to travel to Germany, I just book tickets through the national carrier of my home country, which for cross-border tickets often turns out to actually be cheaper than booking through DB. Thankfully I don't live in Germany proper and my need for travel there is not that high (once or twice a year at most) but I wonder what would I do if I had to move to Germany and use trains there more often.

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Same problem but with French equivalent SNCF (sncf-connect.com). I just checked and can confirm nothing has changed. You cannot use up-to-date Firefox on Linux to access the main booking site for French rail tickets.

    Access is temporarily restricted

    We detected unusual activity from your device or network.

    Reasons may include:

    -Rapid taps or clicks
    -JavaScript disabled or not working
    -Automated (bot) activity on your network (IP X.X.X.X)
    -Use of developer or inspection tools
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> Stop visiting sites and using services that use reCAPTCHA. Problem solved.

Not solved at all: 99.999% of users don't give a damn and use a Google-signed Android.

My opinion is that because they don't give a damn does NOT mean regulations should not protect them. What Google is doing here is anticompetitive and they should be fined (antitrust and all that).

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With the new reCAPTCHA this is going to happen because most human visitors will actually be unable to pass the CAPTCHA. It will be interesting to see whether this makes websites ditch reCAPTCHA or whether they literally just don't care about having customers, an attitude that seems to be getting more and more common every day.
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I have been unable to give my money to Home Depot, REI and a growing list of online retailers because they use Akamai EdgeSuite, which just assumes I am a bot and 403s on protected API calls. This happens consistently on any IP and any browser on my Linux desktop/laptop.
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There are not enough words to describe how much I hate Akamai EdgeSuite. So many random validation loops and 403s across different physical computers, different operating systems, different connections and even countries. A couple of services I need use it and it's 30% I'll make it past their stupid "protection".
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Same, i'm doing a kitchen reno and gave up on Home Depot because of this
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It sure makes debugging headers a pain. curl -sLIXGET https://… never mind, that won’t work, _fires up browser yet again_
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Home Depot at least has a physical presence, which you can go and directly give some much-needed feedback to.
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It has a zero percent chance of reaching anyone who can do anything about it.

You could try handwriting and posting a letter to their CEO. I think that sometimes works. Probably not very often but there are more than zero CEOs who read those letters.

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The point is to spread the word.
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Maybe they'll figure it out when their revenue drops next quorter or the ones after that?

I was thinking in the same terms: you put up a QR capcha, you don't get my traffic and money. Just the amount of extra work needed, let alone the Google tracking turns me off. As if traffic lights, crosswalks and bridges weren't enough of a hassle.

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REI is allegedly a co-op, maybe there's a committee or something it could be presented to?
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REI Co-op has an Annual Members Meeting in Seattle, where it announces the results of the board of directors election. The 2026 one happened Feb 5. Apparently the presentation is only 8m long, some saying it's pre-recorded and it's near-impossible for members to submit a question that actually gets answered:

https://www.rei.com/newsroom/article/2026-rei-board-of-direc...

https://www.rei.com/newsroom/article/rei-announces-2026-boar...

https://www.reddit.com/r/REI/comments/1qw14k6/rei_hosts_thei...

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Usually that just means the owners of the individual stores are the shareholders.
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> most human visitors will actually be unable to pass the CAPTCHA

Most human visitors will never ever notice the change. reCAPTCHA is completely invisible for most human visitors because they are allowed to pass just by fingerprint.

It's not like an average user is going to have to scan a QR code every time they visit a site via web browser. If it were like this then it would be a non-issue because no sane website would adopt this system. But it isn't.

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One problem with these things is that businesses have minimal visibility on the amount of users they lose.

On the opposite, if they see reports of many visitors not completing the captcha, they're likely to think "Wow so many bots!!! This defense nowadays is indispensable..!".

Sometimes you need to pass a captcha even to contact them (if you want to tell them that you can't pass their captcha).

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I wanted to give money to charity and they have whole form protected by recaptcha. So I would have to allow all my personal information and amount donated sent to google (and agree with google terms for data processing). I have contacted them but they did not understand why this is problem they just wanted to protect themself against bots. IMHO unless those things are not disallowed by antitrust laws we have lost.
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We wouldn't want bots throwing money at us!
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i say technofeudalism, not sure i know what i'm writing about though
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Luckily the marketplace of money will ensure that businesses who block their customers shrink and businesses who don't block their customers grow.
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>> whether they literally just don't care about having customers

So every government website. Every website where people simply have no choice (DMV) or where failure to login results in them not claiming the money/benefits they are due (all tax websites). And every website handling post-sale complaints (Airlines, insurance).

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Or stop spreading this extraordinarily naive view of how the world works.
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I'd love to, but I'd not be able to visit many sites anymore thanks to Cloudflare...
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HN uses reCAPTCHA under certain conditions
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I've not hit it but that would suck.
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So what are you doing here?

> Ask HN: Did HN just start using Google recaptcha for logins? [0]

> dang

> No recent changes, but we do sometimes turn captchas on for logins when HN is under some kind of (possible) attack or other. That's been happening for a few hours. Hopefully it goes away soon.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34312937

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Yeah, live in a cave, and problem solved.

However much I hate it, right now among the sites using reCAPTCHA there are many that I strongly want to use.

Let's find a better solution please

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> Let's find a better solution please

Is there an argument here that Google is creating a monopoly?

Could this be challenged on similar grounds that forced Microsoft to recommend other browsers to users on Windows?

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There is, but at least in the US neither party cares. They want to get rid of anonymity online, one to throw anyone who googles "trans" in jail, and the other because their biggest donors are tech companies that want to denonymize everyone.

Our antitrust laws have been toothless for decades, and both parties love billionaires controlling the rest of us with an iron fist.

GrapheneOS is looking more and more worth the headache that my limited free time generally does not like. I don't need Google to know my smut fanfiction is written by my IRL.

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Felt same way about GrapheneOS but a few friends set it up so i gave it a try. It is easy to install and use. As evidence, I gave my 70 year old father one and he loves it.
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When my friend was telling me about GrapheneOS I was thinking back to the old days of android custom roms, all the bugs and bullshit, the time I couldn't dial out to 911 because my custom ROM crashes when I did, or other issues. So I gave it a pass.

However he's been on it now for months and every time he shows me something on it I get a little more jealous. Everything seems to be working fine, including e.g. bank apps, and he has interesting features like some kind of app zoning thing limiting permissions on a zone to zone basis.

The only problem is it's only available on massive phones without headphone jacks and SD card slots, so I'm sticking with Xperia for now.

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Breathlessly awaiting the upcoming Motorola/Graphene crossover phone.
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Can you run Graphene on non Pixel phones?
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Not yet. They've partnered with Motorola, though, so we'll probably be seeing some of their phones in the future that can run GrapheneOS.
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You can use Lineage [/with microG]
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sieabahlpark, I probably hate this more than you, you misunderstood
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Stop visiting sites and using services that use reCAPTCHA. Problem solved.

No. Bigger problem created, since there are innumerable government, health care, and educational web sites that use reCAPTCHA.

I'm not going to give up reading the test results from my doctor because of some simplistic ideologue decides that it's "problem solved."

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The other problem with this is that there are few CAPTCHA alternatives.

CF turnstile is one, but of course that means Cloudflare owns even more of the web.

HCaptcha is inaccessible and actively discriminatory against individuals with disabilities and refuses to change, to the point that I suspect the only way that they will do anything is to file a class-action against them and sue them into the ground.

And I... Can't think of anything else. Other than to just get rid of Captchas entirely.

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The answer that no one likes: make it cost a nominal amount of money.

Enough to make it so bots are expensive to run.

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You could just have a custom one that asks domain-specific questions (and ones which will trip up LLMs are not hard to come by.) I've seen a few forums ask such questions for registration, long before the rise of LLMs.
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There are other captcha alternatives like Turnstile, for example Private Captcha, Altcha etc. - they are owned by mostly “small” independent companies, they are not visual captchas (proof-of-work based) and very accesssible.
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At least in my country (Poland) you should be able to make a pretty bug fuss and resulting in them fixing it, if indeed one of ego services made you leak all your data to Google.

People do care about such things.

I hope the same is true in other EU countries.

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Compliance is what makes all that shit possible. Sadly most people are compliant and made so by gradually increasing their dependency on "commodities" which really are anchors to a shit lake.
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Beautiful analogy, BTW.

Suddenly I have been made aware that, having lost my paddle on Shit Creek, I will eventually be taken downstream to Shit Lake (where it appears I will inevitably drop anchor).

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I agree, and I think CAPTCHA is a disservice on public websites.
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> I'm not going to give up reading the test results from my doctor

You could just call them.

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Oh just wait, the AI phone service on their side will be more than happy to complete your device attestation key challenge by touch tone. We have to make sure you are still you after all!

But in all seriousness, many services are making it difficult through to impossible to communicate outside of their web or app platforms. Call centres are expensive and messy, and it's now apparently acceptable as a society to treat customers/clients/whatever as adversaries so they can get away with making it hard to communicate with them.

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I was unable to book a doctors meeting through the clinic's website, so I declared "screw tech" and called their call center, which still worked better. The app just searched for the "first available spot" and never found anything. If they axe the call center I'm going to have to go to their place.
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Or ask for a print out.
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