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by stackghost14 hours ago |
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upvoteby applfanboysbgon14 hours ago|
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The person 'bragging' was not a countercultural user, but rather the FreeBSD engineering lead. They were, however, talking about FreeBSD's response to security vulnerabilities, in contrast to Linux's response.

> thus not immune from the types of bugs that stem from that lineage

They never claimed that FreeBSD didn't have vulnerabilities. I honestly have no idea why grandparent decided to bring up their comment when it exactly validates what the person they were criticising says. GP admits the response to the vulnerability was well-coordinated. The response to security vulnerabilities was the exact, and only, subject of the post they're calling out.

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upvoteby wolvoleo14 hours ago|
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I wouldn't call it countercultural. And Wayland actually runs on freebsd these days.

I use Linux as well but I really like FreeBSD for a number of technical reasons. Like the ports collection, the jails, the first-class citizen ZFS.

And Gnome 3 doesn't really have anything to do with Linux. It is also available for FreeBSD if you want it (I don't, I hate the minimalist opinionated design style so I use KDE, also on Linux).

But I use Linux on servers where I run docker for example. It's not about "not using linux".

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upvoteby skydhash13 hours ago|
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> And Gnome 3 doesn't really have anything to do with Linux.

There's a very hard push on getting Gnome 3 aligned to systemd. Gnome is actually my preferred DE on Linux when I choose to use one. But compatibility with Unix systems is becoming harder every day.

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upvoteby wolvoleo12 hours ago|
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Yes even KDE recently introduced a new display manager that is completely tied to systemd. For that reason it's not supported on FreeBSD. But sddm still works of course. But it is a worrying precedent.

From the gnome team this was to be expected because they are beholden to RedHat/IBM and the other big distros who push systemd heavily. But from the KDE team I didn't.

I've stopped my monthly KDE donations for this reason. Just to send a message that this isn't ok.

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upvoteby icedchai14 hours ago|
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I also use a mix. I moved to FreeBSD initially after a rough period w/Linux in the late 90's. Today, my FreeBSD machines are all VMs running on Linux hosts!
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upvoteby cyberpunk14 hours ago|
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Hah I'm your mirror version -- my linux machines are all VMs running on FreeBSD hosts!
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upvoteby icedchai10 hours ago|
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Is bhyve working well for you? Maybe I'll try that in my next rev of my home lab.
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upvoteby wolvoleo14 hours ago|
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Oh you use bhyve?

I've tried to use it but I dound it pretty difficult for systems that need a GUI. Maybe I should revisit.

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upvoteby cyberpunk14 hours ago|
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Yep, most of my linuxes are headless -- but I do have a VM which I pass a graphics card through to for games and ai stuff though -- works really well (as long as you don't reboot the VM, it has a hard time attaching to the gfx card the second time for some reason, not looked into it much)

sysutils/vm-bhyve makes it quite friendly.

I wouldn't use it for work, though, just personal. Work is all enterprisey kubernetes stuff.

Edit: there is a 'proxmox-like' for FreeBSD out [0] -- I did try it on a couple machines and couldn't get the network working, but consoles seemed to work.. Kinda.

0: https://sylve.io

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upvoteby wolvoleo14 hours ago|
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Ah I don't really have a second GPU to dedicate to it though. A virtual console like in VMware or QEMU/KVM would be great. Thanks for the heads-up about sylve! I'll check it out.

For me it's all personal too. For work we still use VMWare a lot.

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