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The Chinese labs don't have to make money or be profitable. They are funded by the state to achieve the state's goals, and the global praise of their open models just serves as Chinese soft power.

They're state companies, not some kind of ethical VC charity fund project.

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The fun part is, they are making money and have way less to pay off despite 100s of billions in donations than the US companies do.
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Is it so different?

If the US’s fascist experiment continues past the current president, we’ll absolutely be nationalizing frontier companies or exerting equivalent control.

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Yes, China is very different from the US.
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Sigh. Obama and Biden were as every bit "fascist" as Trump.

I'm glad I get reminded that TDS is real, but everyone forgets that Bush, Obama, and Biden all did things with executive power that Congress ignored or provided little real oversight for. And Congress has proven over the last several decades that their oversight is rather meaningless for the goals of American voters rather than special interests.

But it's all Trump's fault is much more convenient.

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> Sigh. Obama and Biden were as every bit "fascist" as Trump.

Absolutely not. There is huge difference in the their behaviors.

> But it's all Trump's fault is much more convenient.

It is not just Trumps fault. Trump is logical consequence of what conservative party became. J.D.Vance and Miller are as much fascists if not more. The whole party worked for this for years and created this.

> And Congress has proven over the last several decades that their oversight is rather meaningless for the goals of American voters rather than special interests.

Of course congress in general is not the place to stop republican party from their fascists goals, because republicans in the congress support Trump 100%. They stand by project 2025 100%. They are doing oversight all right when it comes to blocking democrats.

The idea that the party that made Trump big, promoted ideas he build on and created project 2025 is supposed to be counterbalance to itself is absurd.

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Certainly Biden and Obama check off a few of the 14 points of Fascism, but are we really being serious here? "TDS" is just a thought terminating cliche.
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Correct. Open source is a PR and marketing strategy for new labs, regardless of origin.

https://try.works/#why-chinese-ai-labs-went-open-and-will-re...

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Interesting article, but Qwen does seem to be closing off. They don't release big variants anymore, and I'm not sure that the fact the local-LLM community keeps praising it actually increases the number of people using their API.

It did work for Deepseek for sure and it seems to move the needle for Xiaomi's MiMo; but will it be enough for Qwen and Gemma? Those are the models you can actually run without going all-in on AI (but only with gaming GPUs and such).

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Definitely. Open releases will accelerate this year, including from Qwen because they're behind in adoption.
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You can still make money on open weight models.

The compute required to run these models is still very far out of reach for the average consumer, yet known enthusiast, therefore they still sell inference, whilst also getting consumer goodwill for providing open weights.

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And the efficiency! Big accelerator cards are ~100x the throughput per watt in terms of raw processing power.
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Thats because the USA has really nothing big to export. Yay, designs.

China? Im getting ready to watch the URKL (universal robot knockout league) go on. The USA is dicking around with failed robot dogs.

The USA has been a failed country, coasting on massive inertia. But the tech avenues from a article I cant find showed the USA 8/64 areas excelling. China was 56/64 areas excelling.

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China is an advanced 2nd world country with pockets of first world.

Smart people in China design fast manufacturing lines for $25k/yr.

Smart people in the US design bond hedging strategies or ad-pixel trackers for $250k/yr.

China is in the stage the US was in 60 years ago, and eventually those high paying, high impact jobs will suck the intelligence out of all the "blue collar" work. Just like it did in the US.

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I believe it. The us intentionally lacks accountability to prop up the already wealthy in almost all of its ventures. Which socializes losses and capitalizes gains. It's an economic model that guarantees deterioration and stagnation.

Dodging politics, the power structures in us industry need serious revamping.

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China is going to be the next Germany: a loser in the new world without globalization
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> Thats because the USA has really nothing big to export. Yay, designs.

USA exports and exported services, especially in IT. And a lot. USA has nothing to export is true only if you intentionally ignore stuff USA exports.

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If this is true, then why are most of the companies that change the world founded in the US?
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