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by sph6 hours ago |
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To add: apparently that PRISM slide got its own Knowyourmeme entry: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ssl-added-and-removed-here
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upvoteby nottorp1 hours ago|
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> I’ve seen them protecting some shady stuff

Hmm do we want them to decide what stuff is shady and what isn't?

We're already allowing payment processors to do that and it's not good.

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upvoteby tanh5 hours ago|
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DDoS is just one of the impetuses for a service provider be MiTM'd
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upvoteby linkregister5 hours ago|
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It's within the realm of possibility that NSA is collecting data with Cloudflare's consent. It seems unlikely that Cloudflare would jeopardize their entire business model over it. Unlike other companies in the leaked NSA slides that participated in PRISM, Cloudflare would face a near-total loss of customers. Their entire value proposition is being an unobtrusive traffic intermediary.
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upvoteby fph5 hours ago|
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Within the realm of possibility? Let's be honest, if you are a top NSA executive and you couldn't find a way to get your hands on Cloudflare's private keys (bribing or threatening the right person), you are not getting your Christmas bonus.
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upvoteby nly4 hours ago|
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It is of course inconceivable that the NSA do not have the private keys for dozens of browser trusted certificate authorities

That nonetheless doesn't help them unless they are doing active MITM. In order to do that they'd have to have at least some physical presence at Cloudflare or on the path to Cloudflare.

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upvoteby RealityVoid4 hours ago|
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My understanding is that they tapped communication nodes before. I would be surprised if they can't tap the pipes to cloudflare.
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upvoteby fragmede49 minutes ago|
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I mean, it is the CIA, but if you encrypt it before it leaves the box, and you're decent good with the key material, how are they going to get at it? Tapping the fiber then gets them encrypted flows, which isn't nothing, but, well, it would be surprising if they had access to the clear text.
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upvoteby linkregister4 hours ago|
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Is this information derived from Enemy of the State starring Will Smith and Gene Hackman? It was a great movie and the first DVD I ever bought.
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upvoteby philipallstar2 hours ago|
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Do people in government get bonuses linked to performance?
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upvoteby sph1 hours ago|
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Government agencies get budgets linked to performance.
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upvoteby philipallstar49 minutes ago|
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Well - do they? In my experience they get budgets for spending their current budget.
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upvoteby sph5 hours ago|
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> Unlike other companies in the leaked NSA slides that participated in PRISM, Cloudflare would face a near-total loss of customers

People didn’t care when they learned about PRISM, why would they care now when it’s a known fact? The sane stance would be to assume Cloudflare is in cahoots with NSA.

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upvoteby linkregister5 hours ago|
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All the companies involved in PRISM made public statements saying they ceased participation. Google undertook a costly initiative to add encrypted connections over their datacenter circuits. The NSA leaks were a forcing function that led to a massive uptake of encryption. Up until that point it was common for websites to support only HTTP.

The NSA leaks dominated news cycles for the entirety of 2013.

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upvoteby netdevphoenix3 hours ago|
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> All the companies involved in PRISM made public statements saying they ceased participation. Google undertook a costly initiative to add encrypted connections over their datacenter circuits

This is as helpful as Whatsapp's so called E2E encryption comms (that just happens to not be applicable by default in certain situations).

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upvoteby lukewarm7075 hours ago|
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my llm api traffic terminates tcp at cloudflare in lovely plain text :/

it does give better peering. reduces latency a bit for me.

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upvoteby my-next-account4 hours ago|
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I had no idea that this was a thing. How can you figure out where SSL turns into plain text on its route to the destination?
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upvoteby lukewarm7071 hours ago|
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in this case it's my design to use cloudflare.

but you can also see from curl or traceroute, that the endpoint you talked to was a cloudflare ip and your ssl ended there. after that you can't see inside cloudflare.

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upvoteby netdevphoenix3 hours ago|
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> Cloudflare would face a near-total loss of customer

I think more people than you would expect would be happy to accept that as the price for protection against malicious actors

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upvoteby breppp6 hours ago|
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That slide was about the NSA sitting inside Google data centers without Google's knowledge.

That doesn't mean collusion

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upvoteby xorcist4 hours ago|
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That's the thing though: We can't know that.
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upvoteby DaSHacka3 hours ago|
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Well, we kind of can, given that "SSL added and removed here :-)" was a pretty explicit workaround to the issue of encrypted communications in Google's infrastructure, just not between sites (IIRC).

Either way, if they were directly colluding with Google, they would have had a much simpler time siphoning off that data.

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