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I'm in europe and I work with cars, pal.

nagware is absolutely not for safety features. Deny the terms and conditions and every time you start the car you have at least three screens you have to scroll and click buttons. It is a very recent feature, have seen it on models from january onwards.

BTW: You also want to deny that because if you agree you also agree to update the system at their will (many cases on the press of them fucking it up, bricking cars requiring ECU replacement. A couple of manufactures i won't mention fucked that up as badly as using two different ECU makes for the same car model, and sending the wrong binary and the bootloader happily accepting it. All without user approving the update beforehand. All happening in the background. Car stops at the sign, ECU reboots and dies.)

You also have constant nagware when you disable the tracking features in software.

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A class action lawsuit in the making! Pal.
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I seriously wish it happened.
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Sure, and Volkswagen’s diesel cars are totally clean and pass emissions tests as written.

Your trust in the law (EU law! Haha) to do the enforcing itself is nice, but history and lived experience tell me that these laws are going to be skirted if there’s money in it.

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Sorry, I missed the bit where the company was fined, prosecuted, suffered a consumer backlash and subsequently brought their behaviour into check.

Honestly, the number of people on here spreading FUD and defending the 'right' for the adtech industry to invade their private lives and treat them like shit is unreal. One could almost think their salaries are dependent on it!

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> It is illegal in the UK/EU to make provision of a service dependent on allowing your personal data to be sold to third parties.

Nobody seems to care and this isn't enforced at all.

It is very hard to live in Germany without having a google account. Many services are only offered via phone-app that is only available through play-store. I'd have to use apks from questionable, untrusted third-party websites.

Good luck finding an employer that doesn't require you to have a microsoft account.

The EU is not the privacy paradise some make it seem to be. It's a corrupt, bureaucratic, exploitive nightmare with some splashes of democracy here and there.

Von der Leyen is the perfectly ridiculous representative, she left nothing but corruption, collusion and incompetence in her wake.

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> It is very hard to live in Germany without having a google account

Which in the EU/UK, is subject to data protection law; including compulsory opt-in for sharing personal data!

Granted, the scummy adtech industry push the law to the limit ("legitimate use"), meaning we need better regulation, not less.

> The EU is not the privacy paradise some make it seem to be

Nobody said anything about paradise, though considering the unrestrained nature of adtech in the USA, I certainly know under which laws I'd rather my (and others) personal data is kept.

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