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by Falell5 hours ago |

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by ChrisMarshallNY5 hours ago|

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I’ve encountered this regularly.

I love to learn. I never want to stop learning.

Apparently, I’m in a minority.

I have often offered to work with folks, and teach them how to develop shipping software. This is something I’m actually fairly good at, having done it, my entire career. I’m retired, now, but continue to develop shipping software. I often offer to do so, with others, so they can learn in an actual production context.

Valuable stuff. They could actually learn skills that could boost their own careers into LEO.

Instead, they invariably ask me to do it for them, or, more annoyingly, say they’ll do it, then never show up, and castigate me for going ahead without them.

by toomuchtodo5 hours ago|

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Meta: This is why HN attracts curious people. They are rare. Finding and hiring them is hard. The forum cultivates for them, like gardeners tending a garden for pollinators. My best tip for hiring has always been "Hire curious people with a proven ability to build, get out of their way, and retain them as long as you can by meeting their professional expectations (comp, work experience, meaningful work, broadly speaking)."

Find Your People - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44074017 - May 2025 (283 comments)

(strongly agree working with people who do not care or do not want to learn is soul crushing, engineer around it to the best of your ability, or change your operating environment to improve upon it, when able to; your time and energy is non renewable)

by ChrisMarshallNY5 hours ago|

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Thanks for that link.

I think one of my advantages has been, that I’m a high school dropout, with a GED. I never took a matriculated college course.

Almost all of my education has been practicum. I learn by do.

Having to direct my own education has been both liberating and exhausting.

I haven’t had any “tracks,” since I was 16.

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by Salgat4 hours ago|

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You learn to know who are the lazy ones, and at that point you can politely always respond with a, "what were you able to find on this?". You can repeat this ad infinitum since at that point, they're just being lazy and disrespectful of your time. They eventually give up going to you because they know they won't get you to do their work for them.

by sfink3 hours ago|

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Good point, and I realize that's what I did in school. When people came to me that I suspected were just looking for easy answers to avoid doing the work themselves, I'd lead them gradually through the chain of reasoning. Like, point out the first step and imply that that should be enough for them to work it out, leading them to ask again ("ok, I get that, but what does that mean for the final answer? What should I write down?"), and I'd give them the next step, leading them to walk away in disgust and bother somebody else. Even better, the next time they start with that person and it's no longer my problem.

Be high friction when you suspect it's warranted. Even if you're not sure someone is looking for a shortcut, the people who aren't won't mind. It's detection and deterrence rolled into one.

(And if possible, find a place to work where you never have to do this.)

by gwerbin2 hours ago|

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As someone who loves helping people to learn things for themselves... you have to identify these "help vampires" and just stop helping them.

I had a coworker who would ask me the same questions over and over and over, despite me trying to show them 10 different ways how to do it or find the answer in the docs or whatever. And eventually I just said I was too busy and they had to figure it out. After a while they actually started figuring stuff out.

Basically if those people aren't your direct reports, your obligation to help them only goes so far. Take care of yourself first. If they figure it out eventually then good for them. If not, it's really not your problem.

by ljm5 hours ago|

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I've struggled with this, even encountering people who basically say "if AI can do it why do I need to spend any more time?"

It was disappointing hearing someone tank their own prospect of career growth like that.

by SoftTalker4 hours ago|

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You're looking at human nature. We evolved to conserve energy, to take the berries that are growing right here rather than go foraging for something else with less certain outcomes. Even better, someone else collects the berries for you.

There are some exceptional people, who have the drive and curiosity to see what else is out there, but that's not the average.