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by mattnewton22 hours ago |
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upvoteby MichaelZuo21 hours ago|
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Don’t they supposedly have a huge amount of EU support?

Or at least there’s been a lot of noise about that.

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upvoteby mattnewton20 hours ago|
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I wouldn't be surprised if each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU. Chinese firms are a more interesting comparison since there are a fair amount of great models there, and it's estimated about 15% of the ai relevant compute is in China versus maybe 5% in the EU under European companies (and 70% ish in the US is the most common ballpark I see)
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upvoteby cowpig14 hours ago|
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I think you are underestimating the amount of compute the US frontier labs have access to.
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upvoteby rolymath12 hours ago|
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So, more than 70% of the compute on earth?
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upvoteby wongarsu6 hours ago|
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More than 5%, I assume. From the combination of "5% in the EU under European companies" and "each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU"

I dont't think that was meant to be implied: the EU actually has access to more GPUs than those hosted by European companies in Europe, just as US labs have access to GPUs hosted outside the US

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upvoteby baq20 hours ago|
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They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays.

Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.

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upvoteby Tepix10 hours ago|
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The chinese labs manage to do it. Mistral should have enough money.
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upvoteby wongarsu6 hours ago|
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The EU has intentional structural hurdles to pouring money into a predetermined single company. Both hurdles meant to fight corruption and nepotism, and hurdles meant to ensure fairness between the member states. After all, money to Mistral is money to France too, and you don't want countries to abuse such mechanisms

It's not impossible, but China is just much better set up for the nessesary level of government support

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upvoteby snowpid6 hours ago|
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China is a way more corrupt country but this might be a benefit of less rules.
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upvoteby MichaelZuo19 hours ago|
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upvoteby bbor19 hours ago|
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You think they're intentionally being bad because they can't manage to pump $65B into a startup on a whim...?
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upvoteby MichaelZuo18 hours ago|
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You think well over a year after making grandiose on the record claims is “on a whim”?
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upvoteby Bewelge17 hours ago|
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What claims are you talking about?

I've never heard or read anything about the EU planning on investing money in Mistral. They're a private company. They're French. It honestly sounds kind of absurd.

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upvoteby MichaelZuo16 hours ago|
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upvoteby esperent15 hours ago|
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No, we want you to backup your claims and provide sources or stop adding pointless low effort anti-EU noise to the conversation. It's frustrating, any time there's any kind of discussion about anything European on HN it gets flooded with shallow, low effort "EU-bad" posts like your contributions here.

If you're going to make that claim at least put some effort in.

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upvoteby akie8 hours ago|
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This is a mostly American forum and some people want to piss on the EU to elevate themselves. Europeans do the same to the US but about politics, health care, work life balance, and quality of life. You know, the stuff that matters :D
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upvoteby MichaelZuo6 hours ago|
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From what I can see you put in zero effort in a response and you expect me to put in more effort?

I already checked for one variation of a google search like I said.

Can you show some proof you did anything at all?

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upvoteby jimbokun18 hours ago|
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Or maybe they’re just poor.
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upvoteby tormeh20 hours ago|
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It's a bit strange, but a huge handout from the EU/France and a huge AI lab investment round are different orders of magnitude. The necessary sums are just not politically possible. How do you sell spending the equivalent of ten USS Gerald Fords on a start-up? You don't.
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upvoteby teiferer19 hours ago|
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And a lot of the "funding" is through mutual deals with MSFT, Nvidia, etc. The Europeans have none of that and would need to pay in actual cash.
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