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How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better.

At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole.

None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

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The world saw Anthropic take a possibly company-killing risk wrt weaponizing their AI, and are rewarding them for holding to their values, for now at least.

It’s not like anyone owes Sam Altman their business just bc their product has become slightly, perhaps temporarily, better

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Anthropic literally already works with companies like Palantir and others weaponizing their AI. Those just aren't quite as well known by the general public.

They have no values that align with humans prospering.

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Both companies don't mind weaponization. The difference is whether it should only be domestic. Both are ok with foreigners being bombed.
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That aligns with average human values
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I hate that this discussion is about OpenAI vs. Anthropic and not OpenAI+Anthropic vs. Google.

Google put up so little of a fight against the DoW for their use of Gemini that we didn't even hear about it. They are clearly the worst of the evils here, but OpenAI is the one getting all of the negative press.

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if dario is just as much of an asshole, he's at least a quieter asshole. and to me, that's better.
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"Silent but deadly"
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> At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole.

There's only one Gabe.

> None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

It's worse than this. Billionaire entrepreneurs aren't funds manager, they don't just want money, they have a twisted sense of “being the good guy” driving humanity forward against its will.

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> driving humanity forward against its will.

I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us.

I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs.

I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, armchair warriors, obsessed fans, and pickmes towing the same line.

I'm sick of engineers saying these models aren't a huge performance gain.

You haters and skeptics out there can keep doing you, but I'm going to keep using the technology. We'll see where the chips fall.

I was raised on optimism and dreams of the future. I want that. I don't want to die with the same incrementalism we've always had. I want orders of magnitude more.

This is our one moment of awareness in a cosmically infinite void. I want spectacular. I'm tired of the chicken attitudes when people should aspire to be eagles.

What we have is so boring. There's so much more if we reach for it. Holodecks, models that cure every molecular cause of cancer, doubled and tripled health spans, instant ability to understand every language, fast and cheap travel autonomous p2p travel, everyone on earth lifted out of poverty, a Michelin chef in your kitchen, ...

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There’s a difference between being a hater and acknowledging the reality of the technology and those building it. I want all of those things too. However I do not understand why LLMs will get them for us. Instead I see a few really powerful people looking to get more powerful. I see a powerful tool being presented as god in a box when. I see the most resources ever spent on a singular thing being spent in a way that’ll _best case_ be mostly obsolete in a few years.

I want real AI. I want cures for cancer. I want too want to live in a post scarcity world. We had most of the technologies to do that before this. However the companies and investors involved in the AI build out chose to sit on massive reserves instead of trying to directly solve those problems. There exist proposals which solve hunger, the energy transition, etc and together they wouldn’t amount for even half of what’s been spent.

That tells me those involved want nothing other than money and power.

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That’s a take. Would be cool if you could be happy with what is, rather than what you wish could be, while still being optimistic about new tech. But even if you can’t, would be nice if you could have your optimism without letting other people’s differing opinions get under your skin.

I’d also suggest, if you care about things like curing “every molecular cause of cancer” to spend some time and energy working in that field to understand the real problems there and work towards real solutions (with models or whatever floats your boat), rather than hoping that some poorly defined techno-optimism hand-waving will just happen to result in the best of all possible worlds, with no downsides or alternative outcomes.

Also, crazy to say that the miracle of existence is boring because we don’t have the tech you imagine!! If that’s your take now, no new technology is going to fix it. You’ll just still be bored with the holodeck and your one precious life to live.

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Putting the AI in cocaine, eh?
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It makes me sad to read someone rejecting humanity.
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Painting something new with great potential as negative and "the enemy" - this is truly the essence of humanity. </snark-but-with-a-kernel-of-truth>

If the parent commenter enjoys working with LLMs, then just let them. This doesn't make them inhumane, nor does it make you less of a human.

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None of these billionaires are going to lead you to the dreams of the future that you have.

And don't forget the negative effects on other people, otherwise that's just selfish.

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Reminds me of Mike Prince in Billions. God that guy was insufferable, just like the rest of today's broligarchy.
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At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole.

What a sad, bitter worldview. I hope you find some peace.

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Dario believes he is the only one who should control AI.

Completely insane

At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone and has done literal experiments on UBI

But “Sam bad”

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> At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone and has done literal experiments on UBI

Where are you getting this? He goes out of his way to say how dangerous AI, and has implied before congress that only companies with special licenses should be able to develop it.

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It's a rumor being spread by OpenAI employees.

https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047

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> At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone

He says he does. While everyone around him says he’s manipulative and liar. Let’s not get too carried away on his words when they benefit him.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...

> has done literal experiments on UBI

Like a scam cryptocurrency which was banned in multiple countries. Seems to me Sam is only interested in helping others as longs as it puts him squarely on top.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_r...

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Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.
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I've come to dislike most tech CEOs at this point, and the current AI batch isn't making it any better. They rarely hold consistent beliefs, but nowadays are positioned as thought leaders.

I wish there was some type of system in-place to hold people to their word, but I can't imagine how it would work.

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I’ve heard this said, but why?
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he pushes mysticism of the models

he's starkly anti-China with a warlike posture that I find dangerous and unappealing

Anthropic has a much more confused mission statement than OpenAI

in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends

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I’d take honesty over deceitfulness any day of the week.

I guess I can see why you’d want to bury your head in the sand and pretend powerful people aren’t all that bad.

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Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.
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Can you elaborate or give some examples as to why? I dont know much about this subject, last i heard, Anthropic declined deals with Military and government agencies - while OpenAI opened their arms. But i am not
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Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI.

That alone is terrible. Also OpenAI has done actual work to try and mitigate the downstream negatives effects with UBI experiments.

Sam isn’t perfect but it’s deeply unclear that he’s worse

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> Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI.

I’ve seen this a few times in the thread. Can you or anyone provide a link that supports this claim?

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This seems to be a rumor being coordinated by OpenAI.

There's OpenAI employees spreading this rumor on Twitter with 0 evidence. Their entire evidence is "I keep hearing Anthropic wants to control AI". Their evidence is literal rumors.

https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047

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I wouldn't say Anthropic is worse than OpenAI, but there's a lot wrong with them. https://anthropic.ml/ has a collection of incidents and relevant evidence.
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Isn’t that site just loudly proclaiming that “pushing the frontier” of AI is inherently anti-social and that employees should be asking the public to “shut us all down” ?

That’s their core argument against Anthropic, that they are making progress at improving their models ?

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What makes you think Anthropic might be worse than OpenAI? Anything specific, or just vibes?
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What makes you say that
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>I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere.

That's why he chose the OpenAI logo

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And the Anthropic logo is a subtle reminder to stuff that ejected out of OpenAI.
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The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild
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Sam and Dario are both assholes of the highest order. Sam just has more masks, and is better at wearing them.
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I think all US companies are turning extremely anti consumer hostile thanks to unchecked unregulated capitalist greed and I would prefer my money to the Chinese underdogs. Cannot speak highly enough of Deepseek.
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This is exactly it!

Sam Altman is the main perception problem for OpenAI. His background, history, trustworthiness, vibes/interviews etc are all negative PR when seen by the common man.

Dario is more knowledgeable, well informed, empathetic w.r.t. problems etc. In short, somebody who seems mature and trustworthy.

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OpenAI and Anthropic are the same shit. That people think that Anthropic is in any way morally superior is sort of laughable.
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He must have done something personally to you.
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That's... that's not how social perception works at all.
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