The “you wouldn’t download a car” meme applies here
replyThey'll ban them because (unless run locally or self-hosted) they are just data capture tools for the China.
replyYou dont think CIA and NSA are reading the data Asian and European companies and individuals send to openai and antropic?
replyIf it’s open weight then anyone can run it for you. Presumably someone you trust just as much as US proprietary models.
replyI don't think they'll offer open models for long. Since they've actually invested in power, cheap chips, cheap memory and can subsidize tokens - they'll keep undercutting big models to capture data forever. Bonus if they remove ridiculous safeguards and China will be unstoppable.
replyPretty sure they'll offer them at least so long as it takes to bring OpenAI and Anthropic into insolvency. Why wouldn't they? The Chinese models are way more nimble to train and run, bring in a ton of goodwill globally, and put immense pressure on the VC furnace that is the US AI sector.
replyAnd apparently OpenAI and Anthropic think so, too - why else would they try so hard to ban them instead of outcompeting them?
Please explain to me how that works. If I download gguf file and run inference with it, how is it collecting and sending data back to China?
replyThis makes no sense, 99% of the people using Chinese models are using them via Western inference providers who are running them and serving them to people over openrouter or whatever. If anyone is stealing your data it would be an American or European inference provider. A model has no ability to send data anywhere.
China bad by default, right?
> unless run locally or self-hosted
replyYou will see soon that china uses illegal uyghur children labor to train these models so we should all boycott them
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