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AKA the "Chinese Room" argument. Ultimately this argument boils down to the idea that consciousness can't be something mechanistic, which is intuitively appealing but still just an assertion.
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I am making a narrower claim than the Chinese Room argument. I actually see consciousness via mechanistic processes as entirely possible.

My point is about current LLMs specifically, which the article is clearly referencing. For a present day transformer, I can write down in my notebook everything the model ever sees as input, plus weights and architecture notes, and can compute the next token with pen and paper, just extremely slowly.

This does not prove that a computation cannot be conscious. But if the same transition from prompt to next token can be decomposed into an explicit sequence of arithmetic operations, then the burden is on the defender to explain: Where, in this process, consciousness is supposed to enter?

Mind that the Chinese Room experiment is comparing the mind of a Chinese speaker to a different mechanistic symbolic procedure. I am, however, executing the exact same mechanistic process, whether it is done on a GPU or with pen and paper.

My hope is that some magical consciousness process emerging from electricity circulation or whatever people believe the mechanism of consciousness would be in the case of LLMs obviously becomes implausible, unless you hold a particularly strong form of substrate-independence, stronger than what most substrate-independence supporters would need to accept.

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> OpenWorm is an international open science project for the purpose of simulating the roundworm Caenorhabditis elegans at the cellular level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWorm

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> Try to do the same with meat.

People have been doing that for decades, the earliest efforts go back to the 50s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiking_neural_network

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> You can take the weights and model description, write them down on a notebook

Can you though?

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Probably pretty similar. Weights are how many synapses there are between neurons. Temperature is whatever hormonal chemical mix is going on at the moment. Inputs tokens are electrical signals from our senses. Output tokens are thoughts, muscle movements. How you’re raised and your interactions with society are the RLHF. Some people are born with a GB300 while others have an L40S and lower token/sec output rates…
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Although I get that it's a metaphor, I really dislike the "some people are born with a GB300 while others have an L40S" part. Even as a joke, it ranks people like hardware tiers, which is dehumanising and uncomfortably close to eugenic language. On top of that, the analogy also breaks down if you try to implement it literally.

For an LLM, you have clear stages of mostly feedforward computation over finite numbers and a perfect way to reconstruct the computation.

For meat, even if you model it under a purely Newtonian approximation, you need to simulate at least the immediate closed system around it which is continuous, thermodynamic, chemical and so on. You'd need to choose an arbitrary time step and update enormous amounts of coupled physical state to get an inexact simulation of a minimal slice of reality.

You would have a much harder time obtaining even a substrate-independent dead organism, comapred to LLMs that are already substrate-independent, which is basically what my notebook example shows.

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Yes reality is non deterministic but we don’t know if you absolutely need to consider anything outside the immediate closed system for a reasonably close approximation given the same inputs. They can already repeatably (inexact of course) simulate muscular actions with the same stimuli like from Neuralink. Exact enough to let a paralyzed person draw with their mind.

Yeah the last line is a cheap shot, possibly at myself.

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Yeah, I think it would be an interesting thought experiment to replace parts of a brain with Neuralink-like devices until you have a fully digital brain, although I doubt it would end up anything like a current LLM.
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