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by JulianChastain5 hours ago |
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upvoteby Self-Perfection3 hours ago|
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My current understand that "subjective experience" is a post effect of memory forming in the process. "I experience X" ≈ "I remember that I just recently received [external stimulus / interpreted my current state as] X".

And I am as well baffled why people make such a big deal out of "subjective experience" and "consciousness".

I was joking that maybe I miss this properties, but now starting to really wonder if it might be the case. What if these phenomenons are present in humans to various extent? Check aphantasia. Only in XIX we discovered, that ability to visualize mental images is not universal, available to different people to various degree and some people completely miss it. My ability to visualize is weak. What if "consciousness" and "subjective experience" are similar?

And I am slightly worried when I am writing this that it might turn to be truth and in ~20 years I will be treated as "inferior human" without complete set of human rights.

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upvoteby edbaskerville4 hours ago|
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Indeed. Even positing an illusion seems like a contradiction. If it's illusory, doesn't there need to be a subjective entity experiencing the illusion?
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upvoteby MichaelZuo4 hours ago|
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This proves too much. As it would imply parrots have sapiencee.
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upvoteby jazzypants3 hours ago|
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Why do you think that parrots do not have sapience? How would one even measure such a thing?
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upvoteby beering3 hours ago|
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Because by definition, sapience is something only humans have. Ergo, parrots are not sapient.

More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.”

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upvoteby f_klem1 hours ago|
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> More meta, all of the threads on this page are just people playing games with definitions. Eg, “qualia is something I have as a human but machines don’t have it. Therefore, LLMs do not have qualia.” True. For me, the actual interesting debate is not if LLMs are intelligent or not (easy to dismiss) but to what extent LLMs embed into our socio-techno-economic reality.
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