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Is the alternative just accepting that my data is out there? Even if I never used any online service, there are databases out there with my information anyway.

Just figure anything online that you aren't securing yourself is compromised. Minimize the effect that has on your life. Identify theft is annoying, but it rarely has severe effects.

You will have to go out of your way to be truly anonymous online, and it might be impossible if you aren't tech savvy enough. Otherwise, just assume everything you do online is public and act accordingly.

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> Identify theft is annoying, but it rarely has severe effects.

I disagree. It has already severe effects.

- The fact we are facing so many data leaks made easy for malicious agent to cross and mix data sources and setup much more evolved and convincing scam scheme.

It is now trivial to get name, address, birthday and phone number from a data leak and crossed check that with the login id (email) used for lets say, a financial service and setup a convincing phone scam on that.

Many dubious actors are already doing that. One acquaintance of mine (working in ITsec ironically) got trapped by this exact scheme last week.

- It is trivial to harvest data leaks for online telemarketing, robot calls and any other abusing commercial practices.

- We are heading to a situation where any wierdo or/and stalker with a bit of tech knowhow can rather trivially extract a physical address out of an online profile. That is a giant opened door for harassment and physical insecurity for the most vulnerable of us.

Thats not just "nerd concerns" and the strategy "everything you do online is public" does not work. Many website will request my personal physical address for trivial matters like billing or delivery. That can not under any mean be considered public data.

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> Many website will request my personal physical address for trivial matters like billing or delivery.

Some will even require it for no actual reason at all.

Do I need to give my living address when I buy a sandwich? Then why would I need to when buying an online service?

Similarly, fast foods nearly all have these automated kiosques. They don’t need any info. So why do they require an email address when ordering to the table through the app, while in the restaurant?

They don’t need them. They just demand them because they can and everyone online is used to giving them without a second thought.

I can’t wait for personal data to become digital radioactive waste.

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> Many website will request my personal physical address for trivial matters like billing or delivery. That can not under any mean be considered public data.

I just don't buy things online, and avoid anyone having my physical address that way.

Sadly, the ubiquity of terrible 2FA means at least some companies have my phone number, though.

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> name, address, birthday and phone number

None of these things have historically been considered private information. There's zero reason that knowledge of any or all of this should be considered adequate or even relevant to proving identity.

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> Otherwise, just assume everything you do online is public and act accordingly.

This is such a depressing reality. It's also what governments want you to believe. If you aren't able to speak your mind about anything anonymously, then you won't be able to, say, spread ideas that go against them.

Admitting defeat at all and not even trying to teach people about privacy results in the "I don't care, what's the point?" attitude that plagues many people today.

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So what is the alternative? I don't feel like there is a legislative fix, so what else can we do?
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> If done right, it is not incompatible with a system where identities can be reconstructed by the authorities for legal actions.

Doing it right is exactly the thing that makes this impossible. If instead you give everyone a unique barcode that every other pseudonym can be tied back to, do you really think that database will never be breached? It would become the prime target for all attackers in the world.

Meanwhile reconstructing "identities" is the least valuable thing to doing law enforcement well, because the first thing criminals will do is use someone else's identity, and then tying something to the wrong identity isn't just useless, it's actively counterproductive. The thing you need is not centralized identity but proper investigations that can tie some activity to the person pulling the strings regardless of whose name they're using.

The thing centralized identity does is precisely the opposite -- it leads you to person associated with a name, often the wrong person. You want to get the person offering to do murder for hire to think they have a contract and show up somewhere you can arrest them regardless of whether you know their name, not to convict the person whose identity they stole.

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> Doing it right is exactly the thing that makes this impossible. [...] do you really think that database will never be breached? It would become the prime target for all attackers in the world.

Critical data is always better in the hand of a few (trustable) than in the hands of many.

That is currently the exact reason why you are using Paypal instead of giving your credit card number to everybody.

That is the exact reason why you are using a password manager.

A lot about security is about who you trust, and for how long.

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I don't use Paypal. My credit cards protect me from fraud. And it rarely happens. In fact it's been well over a decade since I had a fraudulent charge on any of my payment cards. Funny how when there's motivation, protection happens.
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> My credit cards protect me from fraud.

Your credit card protect you against nothing. Reimbursement in case of fraud is not fraud protection, it is just bare minimal customer service.

In fact, the first thing your bank will do when your credit card number has been leaked and was used for a fraud... is to replace your credit card.

Because they know that, when the number is in the wild, it will happen again. The system is inherently insecure in case of dataleak.

Visa and Mastercard spent decades and millions constructing systems like "3D secure" supposed to protect again that by enforcing external authentication factors. But since the system is not enforced in every country, it is still a problem today.

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