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by jve5 days ago |
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upvoteby sandos4 days ago|
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In Sweden I always heard the figure to double the income of the person to get what the company actually pays, including taxes and "employers fee". I know this has gone down a lot in recent years, also not sure if it was ever exactly true, but likely very close anyway.

Hitting the first calculator I found gave me 50 kSEK costs 69 kSEK. So far from double nowadays.

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upvoteby cronin1014 days ago|
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Not doubting this at all but could you (or someone else) break this down for the sake of my curiosity?

I understand pension contributions, but what are the other "hidden" costs that could equal the net salary?

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upvoteby OtherShrezzing4 days ago|
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In the UK, a £45k/yr employee pays their own tax and gets a take-home of £35k.

The employer pays £6k for National Insurance (atop the employee's NI contributions). Pension: 2-3k. Apprenticeship levy is £300. 3yr-amortised recruitment fee is £4000. Hardware costs: £1000. Office space £5000. Software/tools: £2500. Benefits: £1500. Training: £1000. Other admin overheads £500.

You pay that person for ~250 working-days, but they only attend for ~220, due to annual leave and sick pay, so you get around £62k worth of attendance out of that person in exchange for £70k, of which the employee sees £35k.

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upvoteby DaedalusII4 days ago|
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a more honest way to look at it would be that the government gets 50% of the employees total expense to the company, so it is basically 50% income tax
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upvoteby m_gloeckl4 days ago|
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Example from Germany: Employer also pays a share of health insurance, unemployment insurance, public pension and elder care insurance.

This is not visible on your payslip, i.e. if you earn 5k€ brutto, the employer has to pay these shares on top of that.

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upvoteby Lionga4 days ago|
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But that is 20% not 100%. And in most non retarded countries brutto is actually brutto, because there is no need to lie to people about how much the government takes away
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upvoteby m_gloeckl4 days ago|
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The 100% figure is coming from the comment above mine, actually. As for the rest of your comment, your assessment is noted.
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upvoteby thesumofall4 days ago|
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Historically, this has nothing to do with lying, but is all about the founding idea of the social security system that all parties (workers, employers, state) carry part of the burden. Employers were supposed to pay their fair share because they also benefitted from the system (a sick or injured employee is not a productive one). Or saying it differently: the employer pays an insurance premium to reduce the effects of sickness. That premium is tied to the „value“ of the employee as measured by their salary.

There is plenty to improve with the system but to call it „retarded“ considering how much good it has brought to the world seems quite wrong to me. I don’t want to work in the pre-Bismarck era

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upvoteby mdgld4 days ago|
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upvoteby skywhopper4 days ago|
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In the US, over and above salary, payroll taxes add 7.65%, pension contributions might be up to 5%, and employer healthcare and other insurance contributions can be in the thousands, plus other benefits, equity compensation, and per-employee software licensing, and lots of people just estimate 2x salary as the “total cost” of an employee, although that probably overstates it a bit.
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upvoteby arrowsmith4 days ago|
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In the UK, employers pay a stealth tax of 15% (recently increased from 13.8%) on top of the quoted salary minus the first £5k (recently decreased from £9,100.)

So your "£50k" salary actually costs your employer £56,750, and that's before all the other expenses mentioned elsewhere in this thread such as hardware, office rent etc.

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upvoteby Sammi4 days ago|
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A quick google tells me that software devs usually count for 20% to 40% of the total workforce in a software company. The rest is overhead that increases with every added dev.
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upvoteby tomasGiden4 days ago|
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And if one were to compare cost of a dev vs cost of an LLM, the dev comes with the cost of workspace, computers, sick pay, summer party, conferences and etc etc.
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upvoteby jve4 days ago|
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