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Mise does seem to be in a class of its own. As mentioned elsewhere, it does rely on other registries such as aqua and obviously asdf. For people who want to use Mise for brew packages, there's https://github.com/kennyg/mise-zerobrew.
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Glad you're having a good experience, but I personally switched from Mise back to Brew. I don't know if it was just my skill issue, but there were too many packages which found Mise to be problematic.
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Haven't had any serious problems so far!
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When did you start using Mise? Maybe it's because I was a sort of early adopter.
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I've been using it lightly as a "better nvm" for a longer time, but only switched to it as a primary "tool installer" a few months ago. I've seen it improve quite a lot over the time, you could give it another try!
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As a PHP developer, I found mise's support to be pretty sub-par compared to Shivam Mathur's packaging work for homebrew. Most of my projects are using Docker anyway, the local PHP is for stuff like static analysis that doesn't need it. And I've got a couple using Nix, which laughs at everything else (but damn, the overall UX is still even more hostile than git).
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Yeah same issue with haskell. Apparently not many languages are supported by mise.
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mise kind of supports dependencies, just not in the way people expect coming from any other package manager. The dependencies in mise are not automatic and all of them need to be manually defined. They're to get around ordering issues since mise installs in parallel, e.g.: if you use "pipx:black" you need to wait for python to finish installing. (This is the "depends" option on tools")

This is intentional as mise is not intended to be a full bootstrapping solution in the way homebrew/nix is, mise is designed to be an overlay on top of existing systems. So if you want to manage python with brew and black with mise it basically just works without extra configuration. I think this design decision has paid off in spades. It sounds like a drawback but at the end of the day it's probably the #1 reason users find mise easy to use.

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Thank you for making Mise!
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I like mise a lot, but only use it for project specific tool management, JDK versions, etc.

I tried to use it for system wide things, but found it didn't work as well for me with things that I wanted to just be tools where I didn't care what specific version it was as long as it was more or less current, Helix, NeoVim, RipGrep, etc.

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mise use -g ripgrep@latest

I recently found mise and have become a fan as well. I have used asdf for about a decade and it supports the same .tool-versions files so initially I used it for those exact same things.

But I use four different computers for development regularly and sometimes use Codespaces as well. While syncing dotfiles handles most of my setup, it doesn't handle binary dependencies of my dotfiles - my neovim setup wants fd & rg etc. So now those go in the mise global config. I also have a global node & python along with uv@latest which pretty much covers every tool I might want to install.

I have never cared for the fact that homebrew tries to maintain shared dependencies and several upgrades have broken stuff for me.

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For system-wide things I usually use "latest" but it's nice being able to downgrade and/or stick to a working version using lockfiles. I remember back when I used Homebrew, Teleport shipped a bug that prevented me from accessing our servers and downgrading was a pain.
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I did the same but with Nix.
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Me too, but it definitely doesn't qualify as "zero glue code."
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me too but feels like bringing bazooka to a watergun fight. might go back to brew
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Mise’s refusal to make global packages globally available is off-putting. I keep using it for specific Node versions and the integration with fnox.

The big drawback: having Claude complain every couple of hours that the new worktree is untrusted; or having to prefix a bunch of commands with `mise exec …` is annoying as well. A global alias for all shells would be nice.

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What do you mean by that? If you have mise activate set up correctly in your shell rc file, globally installed tools are available in every shell. There’s also shim mode [1].

I use Claude on a mise-powered project daily without any issues

[1] https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/shims.html

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Not an expert, but Claude doesn’t seem to be running with my ZSH profile? Really, anything that isn’t a terminal and tries to use global commands, such as utilities that expect Node to be available and so on. I always have to prefix commands, unless using the terminal myself.
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Mise does support docker cli - that’s how I use it with Colima - what’s not working for you?
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Last time I used it it was missing some features (like compose for example), but nothing a LLM can't fix (needed just some symlinking).

But it's not "it just works" yet.

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Mise actually does support a primitive dependency system, you can specify package deps in your config, so, for example, you can ensure erlangs are installed before elixirs (bad example, elixir is already internally dependent on erlangs, but you get the idea)

https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/#tool-dependencies

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Hmm, `mise use -g docker-cli` works for me. `docker compose` is a bit trickier – it gets installed as `docker-cli-plugin-docker-compose`, but docker-cli doesn’t seem to pick it up. I’ve added a symlink as `docker-compose` for the time being.

Also using brew for casks, and I think there’s a couple tools I couldn’t install with mise (e.g. pngpaste and zbar for scanning QR codes from screenshots).

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FWIW you can replace pngpaste with a simple script: https://til.simonwillison.net/macos/impaste

Zbar seems to provide prebuilt binaries here https://linuxtv.org/downloads/zbar/binaries/ (haven't checked it myself)

Thanks for the docker tip!

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> FWIW you can replace pngpaste with a simple script

Neat! Got curious if you can do that without a temp file, turns out you can:

  #!/usr/bin/osascript -l JavaScript
  
  ObjC.import("AppKit");
  $.NSFileHandle.fileHandleWithStandardOutput.writeData(
    $.NSPasteboard.generalPasteboard.dataForType("public.png"),
  );
---

Edit:

> `docker compose` is a bit trickier

I’ve tweaked my setup a bit. This installs it as `docker-compose` without symlinking required:

  "github:docker/compose" = { version = "latest", rename_exe = "docker-compose" }
And also you can manually symlink it to the Docker plugins dir so `docker compose` works as well:

  DOCKER_CONFIG="${DOCKER_CONFIG:-$HOME/.docker}"
  mkdir -p "${DOCKER_CONFIG}/cli-plugins"
  ln -s "$(mise which docker-compose)" "${DOCKER_CONFIG}/cli-plugins/docker-compose"
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I really like mise but I don’t think it’s an adequate homebrew replacement. I use it more for project management dependencies and tasks.
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Do you have an example? Sounds interesting.
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Here's my modest collection of global tools I install in my dotfiles: https://github.com/JanPokorny/dotfiles/blob/master/dot_confi...

Projects then have their own dependencies, e.g. https://github.com/i-am-bee/agentstack/blob/main/mise.toml

Mise also has a task runner which automatically uses correct tools. Onboarding a new team member is super easy now, they just need Mise, "mise install" and they're up.

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I really prefer to lock the version numbers instead:

    mise use -g somepackage --pin
I can commit/rollback to known good versions. To upgrade:

    mise up -il
Not so long ago, I was outspoken against mise. I've since come around. It truly is a fantastic tool.
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Mise now has lockfiles as a stable feature, which has the benefit of hash checking if you use Mise in a CI environment!
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What were your criticisms, and what changed?
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I've been using mise as a pure version manager for a pretty long time, and I had no idea you could use it for general tools like this.
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Same
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How does this even work? How does mise know how to install these things?
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Mise has many backends. A lot comes from Aqua / asdf, but there's others like GitHub, npm, cargo, http, etc.

It's all fairly well documented here: https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/backends/

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Don't forget that mise depends on package registries, to install itself as well as its tools.
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Mise installs itself as a static binary actually (but it's of course packaged in many registries), and while there are some third party registries it delegates to for some packages (aqua, asfd), most stuff I have installed is either built-in, or from PyPI, npm or GitHub, i.e. directly published by the upstream maintainers. More info: https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/backends/
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You'll see that mise recommends installing itself exclusively through package registries: https://mise.jdx.dev/installing-mise.html

pypi, npm, and even github (through releases) are registries.

curl | sh is an anti-pattern. It passes no security check.

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There's always the chicken/egg problem of which dependency manager to install first, though. AFAIK there's no "trusted" installed for Homebrew on macOS though I might be wrong.
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Exclusively? No, the very first option is the install script, which downloads and unpacks the correct binary for your OS from the Mise website:

curl https://mise.run | sh

...which is the same way Homebrew is installed too.

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That's kind of weird that you're using this announcement to steer people to another project.

Or am I missing something..?

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We're discussing Homebrew now, which includes discussing alternatives, and I'm telling my story of switching to a tool that I found better for my purposes. I'm not affiliated or anything. I agree this comment would be weird e.g. on the official Homebrew blog.
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I agree, but HN doesn't like metacomments that just complain on how an article/comment is being upvoted, hence you being downvoted. See guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Just downvote and move on.

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I see. OK, I'll do that next time, thanks.
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