A sample of one, but I was getting more stuff done despite Fable uses tokens twice as fast as Opus, because it understood the goals so well and worked to achieve them.
replySame experience. Wouldn't waste my tokens on easy stuff for it. It blasted through some of my toughest problems and produced some truly great code.
replyCan you give an example of what those "toughest problems/great code" are? I don't need to know the prompt nor the output, but the general idea, what it is about.
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replySome very tough computational geometry problems I couldn't solve on my own, nor with the assistance of other AIs or my colleagues. Fable did them all first go. The most impressive built a custom optimizer with a ludicrous number of adaptive switches that absolutely crunched through an error surface with a bunch of nontrivial nullspaces and some wild curvature. That optimizer is of independent interest; it's not totally novel in theory, but the implementation is an impressive piece of engineering.
reply> more stuff done
replyMore stuff done per dollar or more stuff done for more dollars? Seems to be an important distinction
Given the same usage limits, I was able to get more stuff done and not even hit the usage limits, because I wasn't working on constantly fixing what Opus was trying to do, Fable just understands the task correctly and works great with the given context.
replySame, I was actually having interesting thought experiments with Fable.
replyI even upgraded my Max plan because Fable was doing so well.
replySame here, now n=2.
replySame here, not n=3, plus the above 3 reporting, so n=6 and rising
replyFable was definitely better for a variety of tasks, even accounting for using 2X the token rate, like the way it used the tokens faster reduced the wasted tokens, as least for the subset of those who already knew at least some optimizations...?
Yep. I love open source but there isn’t a model that comes close still to the closed source options like Opus 4.8 and that’s obvious from most people I see across the software industry as well. There are at least another few models after Opus from OpenAI and Anthropic most would go down the list using before any of the Chinese models at this point.
replyI could really use something that can just refactor a few classes and create DTOs from entities.
reply> Most people weren’t using Fable for everything anyway because it’s so expensive.
replyOr they were getting silently rerouted and couldn't realise they weren't using Fable
> If someone was using Fable they don’t have any second best alternative outside of Anthropic.
replyGPT-5.5 isn't awful.
Opus 4.8 has taken such a beating over the last couple of days since the release of fable, videos online of people referring to it like the “redheaded stepchild” (is there a better way of saying this, this sounds racist) basically at this point, everyone is going to be seriously disappointed to fall back to that.
reply> is there a better way of saying this, this sounds racist
replyIt's not racist or even politically incorrect in the US, it's a common saying.
As a foreigner, the casual racism against red-haired people in the US and UK always baffled me.
replyAs long as the person is white no one will blink an eye no matter what you say.
replyExcept that’s all every MAGA can talk about. This take is from 2010
replyIf anything is racist here it's thinking that redheads are a separate race.
replyFeel free to replace "racism" with "discrimination" if you prefer. English is not my first language and the minutiae elude me.
replyYes, I am aware. Kind of paints redheads as unwanted though. Seems hurtful.
replyYeah, not sure where the phrase originated but it does sound bad when you put some thought into it. My sister is a redhead and people loved to make fun of her growing up, telling her there's no way two parents with brown hair could have a kid with red hair, so the mailman (who also had red hair) was obviously her dad.
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