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To add to that: There are also "compounding effects" from investments made by tax money, just as for any other investments, the difference is that the compounding gains are collectively owned and not controlled by an individual.
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In a healthy society that's the case. In an unhealthy one, who knows.
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I think that’s their justification in the abstract, not the justification for most individual tax items.
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I don't have to inspect every grain of rice with a magnifying glass to enjoy the overall dish.
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Are you arguing that we should have bad taxes because some taxes are good?
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Yes, absolutely.

There's a cost to perfection. In our computing world, every extra nine of reliability is more expensive than the last, often with diminishing returns.

See also: Florida drug testing welfare recipients cost more than it saved. https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/just-we-suspected-fl...

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You’re arguing that the cost to find bad taxes is not worth the savings. That’s not the same thing.

If I’ve already found with a poor justification or better yet, someone is proposing a new one. Shouldn’t we remove it?

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I mean, I'd also argue that the definition of a "bad tax" is notoriously difficult to agree on.

For example:

https://x.com/NEWSMAX/status/1937470443168182386

> A government agency spending $300 million in taxpayer dollars to produce sterilized flies sounds like a dream scenario for a DOGE team looking to cut waste, fraud, and abuse.

A year later:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/09/business/what-consumers-shoul...

> Grocery shoppers could get hit with higher prices if the screwworm cases turn into a full-blown outbreak. That could cost $3 billion across the Southwest, according to a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

Good tax, or bad tax?

Returning to your question, though: Yes, I assert the cost of troubleshooting a "bad tax" may exceed the benefits of having addressed it.

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You’re weasling.

We don’t have to treat taxes as a pool we can look at the pros and cons of each one. Taxes are not benevolent and good by nature.

You seem to be suggesting here it’s impossible or too costly to weigh pros or cons. So I would not consider you for an administrative position

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You're avoiding the points.

"Look at the pros and cons of each one" is an enormous handwave; I've provided very clear evidence of our inability to do that successfully in a very topical and concrete case.

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What DOGE did is not one I'd consider proper review, so bringing them up doesn't necessarily help your point. There definitely are ways to look at each tax and determine its worth, in a non-partisan way.
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> What DOGE did is not one I'd consider proper review…

This illustrates very well how difficult it will be to agree on good/bad tax.

> There definitely are ways to look at each tax and determine its worth, in a non-partisan way.

If you've found one, can I come to the Nobel ceremony?

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Sure, although it doesn't require Nobel level effort to understand.
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Go on. What are these practical "ways to look at each tax and determine its worth, in a non-partisan way" options?
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It is already done today. Academic panels, economists writing papers on impacts of various policies like rent control, monetary policy, and yes, taxes. Are some of them politically motivated or have academic disagreements? Sure, all people have personal politics and biases. But that is better than throwing up ones hands and saying we should accept all bad taxes because good ones also exist. By that logic, any tax I suggest should be accepted by you, because there is no way to tell if it's good or bad right?
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> Academic panels, economists writing papers on impacts of various policies like rent control, monetary policy, and yes, taxes.

We have those, and they disagree almost as much as the general public does. Economists get plenty partisan; they're human!

> By that logic, any tax I suggest should be accepted by you, because there is no way to tell if it's good or bad right?

No. But I'm deeply skeptical of "bad tax!" assessments from someone who's calling random people Marxists on this thread!

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Why are you taking Marxist as an insult? Maybe that's your first issue, it's an accurate label for someone who believes in the labor theory of value which is something Marx came up.

And yes, economists are human of course (unless they're now AI). Not sure how that changes what I said. Just because they disagree doesn't mean what they do isn't better than throwing your hands up and saying it can't be done.

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Again, you asserted:

> There definitely are ways to look at each tax and determine its worth, in a non-partisan way.

You then asserted those are:

> Academic panels, economists writing papers on impacts of various policies like rent control, monetary policy, and yes, taxes.

But Marx himself is an example of that process - an economist, writing papers on all this. You clearly don't agree with his conclusions, so now we're... right back where we started?

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Nowhere did I say I have to agree with their conclusions to think that the work they're doing on analysis of policy is worthwhile, while your logic seems to be that it is not, which is what I disagree with. If that's not your argument then apologies.
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> Nowhere did I say I have to agree with their conclusions…

So your functional way to effectively assess good/bad tax is ... not so functional.

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No? I'm not an economist or policy maker so why does it matter what I think? As long as the economists can broadly agree, which they do on many topics, and enact that into policy, then that's fine. And is what happens today, functionally. So I really don't see how your argument to throw up your hands makes any sense, seems like you don't trust professionals to do their job.

Anyway, you're seeming to misunderstand me when I asked you questions as well, such as why you took Marxist for an insult for example when it accurately describes what I was talking about. I'm not the only one that will answer your questions, seems like there is some sort of sealioning you're doing in this thread.

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> I'm not an economist or policy maker so why does it matter what I think?'

Do you vote?

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> You seem to be suggesting here it’s impossible or too costly to weigh pros or cons.

Sounds like you agree.

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Yes, I agree, at least in part.

We are tweaking a multi-trillion dollar system impacting hundreds of millions of people directly and billions indirectly. The impacts of those tweaks take years or decades to (imperfectly!) assess. Many of the tweaks and their impacts are a matter of deep partisan and academic contention.

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You can still collect taxes without taxing people who have already been taxed in the form of needing to exchange a large fraction of their life for the wage.
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I'm entirely onboard with reducing tax on low/mid income folks currently "exchanging a large fraction of their life for the small wage" in favor of increased taxes on the billionaire class, yes.
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But the amount of tax we pay is because of inefficient, corrupt and incompetent government.
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We have the current inefficient, corrupt, and incompetent government in the US because the anti-tax wealthy class threw an all-out tantrum over even the idea of paying a tiny bit more tax.
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I live in Germany and I pay almost 50% of my income in income tax and social tax. There is always "just that tiny bit more tax" that will magically fix the system (it won't).

Turns out paying more money to an already corrupt government doesn't turn it less corrupt. Go figure, hm?

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> I live in Germany and I pay almost 50% of my income in income tax and social tax.

I live in the US and pay less raw tax than that, for sure.

But I reported $49k in medical expenses (premiums, deductible, copays, stuff they won't cover) last year on my taxes, and I've got two kids going to college in a year, which may cost $10-40k/year for each.

I'd rather your trade-off.

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We have an inefficient, corrupt and incompetent government in the US because we voted for it. And we keep voting for it. That's our revealed preference. We obviously like inefficient, corrupt, incompetent governments.
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And that government was corrupted by…wealthy business owners via regulatory capture!
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