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If you want to use a rope to get a straight line, your best bet is to turn the rope itself into the pencil. Coat it in chalk or other powder, then put it under tension and snap it on to the desired surface
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This is actually a tool used in construction. A chamber filled with chalk and a coiled line. You hook the line to one end of your item, pull the chamber across, make it tight, snap the line.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-100-ft-Bold-Line-Chalk...

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And once you have created such a straight line, you can fold the paper again such that the first crease lines up on both sides of the new crease, and then you have a right angle.
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Indeed !

One can create an axiomatic system of geometry through such coincident folds (as an alternative to straight-edge and compass) and it turns out to be more powerful than the Euclidean system.

One can construct cube roots, trisect angles.

Depending on the choice of paper folding axioms one can go beyond cube roots and k-secting angles to the entire set of algebraic numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzita%E2%80%93Hatori_axioms

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I'm not getting any work done today

thank you!

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LoL. Most welcome.

My best (worst) HN days are like that :)

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> The underlying reason is that paper does not stretch

I don't think that's sufficient--tinfoil doesn't stretch, but it doesn't fold nearly as neatly as paper.

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"Paper folds in a straight line" and I was like "duh! what else?" Until I read this comment, and it bought back all the memories where I tried to fold other things like plastic sheets and tin foils and how they never ended in straight line...damn. I never noticed...
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You are perhaps commenting about the force needed to fold, the persistence of the folded shape. My comment is about the shape of the crease once it has been folded.

Most metals are stretchier than paper. If it is thick it will resist folding, but once you have folded it, that is, the two flat boundary surfaces have coincided, the crease would be a straight line if the surfaces cannot stretch.

How much force you will need to exert to form a fold depends on material properties but the geometrical nature of the crease is dictated by stretching.

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I'm a fan of tearing paper along a crease rather than cutting it for this reason, since the tear is straight and using scissors will invariably be all over the place.
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Yup and if you need a right angle, combine it with this

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48538771

by roelschroeven.

I often wondered how to ensure that the corners of a sheet of paper make a right angle. You need that to form a square sheet, otherwise the standard trick of folding along the diagonal gives a rhombus, not a square.

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The shortest distance between two points is a straight line?

A sheet of paper approximates a Cartesian plane probably more closely than most things we can fold

Therefore a fold will always be in line with the theoretical 2D plane and thus will be the shortest (straight) line.

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> In fact I don't know of any other good way of obtaining a straight edge from scratch quickly

A string made taut between two points is surely a better way? And works at much bigger sizes too (people build walls and foundations using this technique all the time). The paper is less useful in practice because any paper you find is probably straight and square anyway.

Still, I had fun thinking about this as I definitely hadn't considered it before.

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I have an asterisk in my post addressing that :) Happy to have picqued your mind.

BTW, your method was the method of choice for the surveyors of the Nile, from the Egyptian civilization.

Paper is hi-tech and was not available until much later, and as you mentioned doesn't scale. But if I have misplaced my ruler ...

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