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Especially in the modern era where peoples' attention is particularly stretched thin, trying to get the average person to add another thing to be hyper-vigilant about is going to be a hard sell. People only have so many spoons.

Not sure why you shoehorned some antivax nonsense in there though.

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> Sorry. You can refuse the covid vaccine, but that won't stop everyone else from blithly accepting it.

I agree with this part, but then, I personally don't have a problem with everyone else giving up their privacy.

> Then once the critical mass is reached, your ability to buy groceries can just be terminated. The 20% of the population that refuses just isn't important enough to matter.

Wut? Can you provide any information about a supermarket chain (or law affecting supermarket chains) anywhere in the world that prevents (or prevented) people who weren't vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter or buy groceries from those supermarkets?

Taking these age-assurance laws at face value, I don't have a problem with them, because I think algorithmically-personalised social media feeds are an intrinsically bad product and I don't see anything that any society would lose if they went away. My concern about these laws is how far politicians are willing to go to close loopholes like VPNs, because I think that's where the potential is to cause inadvertent collateral damage to systems that really matter.

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This analogy doesn't hold up. What does covid have to do with anything?
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probably a sentiment agent trying to equate being anti-age verification with being an antivaxxer
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What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance or grocery shopping?

Where I live I simply queued up at the local vaccination centre, got vaccinated, and left. I probably had to show some id or something I guess but no more than accessing any other government services

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>What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance

Google and Apple built contact tracing directly into iOS and Android during Covid. And it's still there. And all they'd need to do to make it opt-out or required is to flash an update with some small print in an EULA.

It is WAY more invasive and you probably already gave your phone your face with features like face unlock too. But hey, we can stop this discussion, because the covid vaccinated have flagged this point down for wrongthink. You see, when you want to fight the surveillance sleepwalkers, they fight back. They really really really want to stay asleep.

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You're describing contact tracing, that is not vaccination. If people were less afraid of vaccinations, invasive practices like contact tracing would be less necessary.

Arguing against that sort of contact tracing may have merits (Not necessarily saying I agree but it's a discussion worth having). Arguing against vaccination is dangerous and ends up with people dead.

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>may have

You're splitting hairs because clearly you cheered on the surveillance state. That didn't stop with contact tracing. Contact tracing was just the most egregious example. I watched you people scan QR codes to let big government know where you were when going to the toilet.

I know where I'm at. I know you just want more reasons to flag my posts for covid wrongthink. Knock yourselves out if it makes you feel better about injecting that stuff. The Director of National Intelligence just posted proof that Fauci funded gain of function research in Wuhan and that submission was flagged immediately. That's the guy you trusted before injecting your covid vax. Try to square that circle all you want with censorship however. The truth is out. I knew I was correct to avoid the mRNA. All the proof exists and supports my position.

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Well billyoyo, since HN tells me "You're posting too fast. Slow down." I'll just have to answer you in an edit.

>With that in mind, why are you against vaccination?

Let's go back to before we knew how it kills people via myocarditis, blood clots, and whatnot. We can map out the options on a very simple chart. On one axis: Get it, Don't get it. On the other axis: You're fine, injury/death.

If I don't get it, but I'm injured, the vaccinated will openly mock me. The unvaccinated will care and try to help me if they can. At least someone will try to support me.

If I get it but I'm injured, the unvaccinated will blame me for volunteering to get it while the vaccinated will say I'm faking the injury to smear the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. Social media like HN will [flagged][dead] me for talking about my injuries. I'm all alone, no one supports me at all.

Don't get it and I'm fine, the vaccinated seethe and talk about seizing my children and making me unemployable until I comply.

Get it and I'm fine, I get a krispy kreme donut made with GMO flour + corn syrup and become associated with the bad behavior of the vaccinated.

As you can see from this chart, I really don't want to be associated with a lot of self righteous assholes and the only possible benefit is donut slop.

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I'm not American, so I'll admit I don't exactly subscribe to your american-centric ideas of what the global pandemic was about (operative word: global).

You haven't really explained the link between getting vaccinated and contact tracing, or any other form or surveillance. Getting vaccinated is a simple one-time transactional interaction. There is no intrinsic need for surveillance.

With that in mind, why are you against vaccination? Like I said - people being less anti-vaccination should help build a world where surveillance is less necessary. So you should be in favour of it.

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1. What an odd analogy. Covid vaccination was a clear net positive.

2. When was the last time you needed to show a vaccine card for anything, much less buying groceries?

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Honestly I lost mine, I think all I’ve got is a picture in my phone, and I don’t think it includes my booster shot.

I’ve never been asked for it since.

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I mean the analogy sounds about right, why downvoting?
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How does it
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The Covid vaccination should have only been given to those in the population that were most at risk: The elderly and those who were at risk due to comorbidities. 81% of deaths alone occurred in the over 65 population. [1]

There's the analogy, it was primarily beneficial for a small group yet for many, particularly Government workers and those in medical care it became a condition of employment that you were vaccinated. [2]

There was a lot of pointless policies despite knowing:

- Being vaccination did nothing to prevent transmitting Covid, it only gave the vaccinated individual better protection from mortality. [3]

- Herd immunity for Covid was known to be impossible once the infection rates got too high with Delta and Omnicron. So trying to vaccinate everyone including children was pointless. [4]

- There is Evidence that being vaccinated actually increases transmission of respiratory viruses. You were less likely to get seriously ill, while potentially increasing the risk of passing it on to your family. [5]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html

[2] https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-...

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/

[4] https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-pa...

[5] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115

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IIRC 95% of people had a comorbidity?
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it sounds wrong, on the account of I never had my "ability to buy groceries" taken away from me without proving my vaccination status, I've only ever seen it used for travel purposes.
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Depends where you lived. There were a few grocery stores in Australia that banned entry without proof of vaccination at the time.

It was also widely discussed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-r...

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermar...

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both of those appear to be that businesses are allowed to refuse, not forced to refuse. In general, businesses are allowed to refuse business to whomever they want, where the law has exceptions for which things you aren't allowed to discriminate against: religion, race, sex, etc. At least this is how the law works in Canada, I am willing to bet Australia is very similar.
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When was the last time someone checked you were vaccinated for COVID?
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