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by CuriouslyC3 hours ago |
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upvoteby hackingonempty3 hours ago|
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> The US govt is going to ban foreign models

The people have a right to make and use whatever models they want, protected by the constitution. At a minimum, the models are described in research papers that are unquestionably protected speech. Skilled devs turn those into programs, also protected speech.

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upvoteby 8n4vidtmkvmk3 hours ago|
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How could Trump ban tiktok then? And Fable for that matter.

Maybe you're somehow legally allowed to distribute and download the weights, but most of us can't run GLM 5.2 at home.

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upvoteby verdverm2 hours ago|
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You won't need a frontier size model for most tasks before long. Qwen 3.6 (small) punches way above its weight. I run it at home @8bit on an OEM Spark
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upvoteby kappar2 hours ago|
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Second this, I am also running qwen 3.6 35b Q8 on a 5090 liquid getting around 250 tokens / second and it is plenty capable. I actually haven't even looked at models recently because I am happy with what I have.

And.. now I feel the need to look again. Darn, there goes my afternoon

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upvoteby dualvariable2 hours ago|
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And corporations could run DeepSeek models on cloud hardware.
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upvoteby verdverm1 hours ago|
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You can run most open models on cloud hardware. Google Cloud gives you a click to deploy, but then you have saturation / ROI considerations, versus Google serving them up multi-tenant, per-token.
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upvoteby dualvariable35 minutes ago|
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For ROI though you can run 24/7 agentic-style workloads, constantly churning through all your source code looking for security bugs (or whatever) and you DONT pay per-token costs.

A DeepSeek instance running 24/7 in a cloud provider will beat doing that with Claude which could bankrupt you with 100x more costs, even though it might find more.

And DeepSeek may find enough to keep your engineering team saturated and busy fixing things.

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upvoteby BigTTYGothGF1 hours ago|
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> protected by the constitution

I don't see how.

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upvoteby skywhopper3 hours ago|
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The US government isn’t supposed to be allowed to constrain speech, but they do have the power to constrain commerce, and they can ban the sale of AI services and AI-capable hardware if they choose.
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upvoteby andrekandre1 hours ago|
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  > but they do have the power to constrain commerce
its an interesting idea; i'd like to see someone claim buying/selling as a form of speech...
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upvoteby giantrobot3 hours ago|
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The current administration has repeatedly demonstrated they do not feel constrained by laws or the Constitution.
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upvoteby tmpz223 hours ago|
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Yes our passionate defense of Academia will surely survive Techno Oligarchs desire for a 20th vacation home
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upvoteby woeirua1 hours ago|
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>The frontier labs have already lost the war for coding

This is a delusional take. Sorry, but anyone claiming this hasn't used Fable and compared it to the current best open source models. I see a lot of hype posting about GLM5.2. I see absolutely ZERO people using it in production compared to GPT 5.5 or Opus 4.8.

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upvoteby CuriouslyC20 minutes ago|
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Coding agents are edging into diminishing returns for common tasks. The whole Opus 4.5+ arc shows this for a large swathe of people. Chinese Fable is likely <=6 months away. US Frontier labs are structurally disadvantaged in the long term so advantage is only going to skew China.
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upvoteby Analemma_3 hours ago|
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> The frontier labs have already lost the war for coding

You are way too deep in the HN bubble.

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upvoteby CuriouslyC3 hours ago|
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I'm looking at how market/human forces are going to make the game play out when extended to its logical conclusion, not the score on the scoreboard RIGHT now.
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