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they're not saying it's fair to consumers, they're saying "it's not just apple, microsoft does it too", i.e. that judgement on apple should be made in the context of how its competitors behaved

by zamadatix4 hours ago|

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I think they are saying the fair comparison should be what another 1st party GPU maker supports in their 1st party drivers, not whether or not Windows provides 1st party Vulkan implementation for 3rd party hardware.

by doublerabbit9 hours ago|

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This was more Apple's doing rather than Valve's.

Valve wanted steam to co-exist on the mac in the early days and John Sculley of Apple didn't want Apple to be seen as a gaming device or a "personal home computer". So they ceased contact with Valve and the rest is history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPTLPXNtb2I

Apple refused to license joysticks so they could prevent customers from considering early mac's as game machines and deliberately refused to support games on the machine. Myst was only few that were exclusive to the Mac; that they then ported to PC.

by Wowfunhappy9 hours ago|

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Your timeline doesn't make sense. Steam launched in 2003. Scully was forced out of Apple in 1993.

by hypercube338 hours ago|

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Most valve games are 32bit macos binaries I assume for powerpc or Intel or something but they flat out refuse to run on modern ox

by russelg8 hours ago|

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If they were Intel 64bit binaries they'd still run due to Rosetta 2, however the majority of their games did not get a 64bit upgrade on macOS.

by doublerabbit8 hours ago|

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So, your right. But the still holds true, that seed was what was sown not to encourage games for the Mac.

If you watch the YT video they go in to depth that they attempted to port the game and was axed by apple.

by Wowfunhappy5 minutes ago|

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Apple runs a gaming subscription service which goes so far as to pay developers for timed exclusivity to Apple platforms. It may be true that in the early days of the Mac, Apple decided games were bad for their brand. This clearly is not true today.

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by doginasuit7 hours ago|

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Apple is so obsessed with how their product is marketed and perceived that they all but eliminated gaming on the platform. It's hard to argue that it hasn't been effective, but I'll never understand why people accept that the people who make the computer should decide how you use it.

by parasubvert5 hours ago|

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I wouldn't say 'eliminated gaming', they just have they've put a lot of encouragement into Mac gaming in recent years to the point that they're maintaining Rosetta 2 for game ports (via Crossover/Wine/Proton) even after its broader deprecation.

The main issue IMO is the Apple hardware itself isn't focused on raw performance, it's on energy efficiency and mobility. You'd need a MacBook Pro or Mac Studio at least to have the GPU cores & RAM to play the most recent PC games. And so they just tend to lead with casual games, live service games, and second run AAA games. Technically Apple maintains the world's largest gaming platform (by users & revenue) in iOS.

And plenty of AAA games have been ported to macOS like Cyberpunk 2077, the last few Assassin Creeds (Shadows, Mirage), or even iOS/iPadOS/visionOS like Control & Death Stranding, the recent Assassin's Creeds, Resident Evil 2 & 4 Remakes, RE 7 & 8, Civ 6 & Civ 7, etc.

by mghackerlady5 hours ago|

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It's weird, they still try to market it as a machine you can play games on. They make sure a lot of games make it over. It's just never the new cool ones, it's always stuff like a resident evil game from a few years ago or death stranding

by parasubvert5 hours ago|

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It's because the hardware can't really handle the latest and greatest games unless you get the top end hardware. Their GPU innovation is on letting you run an AAA game from 5 years ago on a tablet.