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by reaperducer7 hours ago |
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upvoteby civet_java6 hours ago|
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Can you please tell my, as someone who is neither Chinese nor American, "why" I should care if a Chinese company stole from another American company (that in turn stole from everyone) to give me a cheaper service that fits my use case?
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upvoteby w0m4 hours ago|
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> to give me a cheaper service that fits my use case?

Because they aren't giving you a cheaper service that fits your use case.

Best Case scenario, it's a trillion-dollar behemoth stealing from a billion-dollar behemoth so they can add their own explicit restrictions/weights on top to influence the masses.

There is no 'robin hood' here, any perceived value you get is clearly and explicitly tainted. "I don't care if it doesn't show me non-party-line results - It makes me a cheap UI !". Ethics/morals be damned.

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upvoteby amanaplanacanal4 hours ago|
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> There is no 'robin hood' here, any perceived value you get is clearly and explicitly tainted. "I don't care if it doesn't show me non-party-line results - It makes me a cheap UI !". Ethics/morals be damned.

I can't tell if you are talking about Anthropic or Alibaba here.

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upvoteby w0m4 hours ago|
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and honestly that's my entire point. There is no Good Guy here.
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upvoteby civet_java3 hours ago|
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In a world which already has the likes of Anthropic and OpenAI, having Chinese labs be a counter balance is decidedly better than the hypothetical where American companies had a global monopoly on LLMs.

If your argument is that all present LLM offerings are unethical then that is something I am sypmathetic to. That said, I am also unable to offer a conceivable roadmap to undoing the opening of the LLM Pandora's box so I tend not ground my arguments in anti-LLM advocacy; that would be very 2023 of me.

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upvoteby rescbr6 hours ago|
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The whole AI industry was built upon stealing IP.

The extreme of this is to make IP laws irrelevant and that everything should be in the public domain.

Which maybe is not a bad outcome for humanity as a collective after all.

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upvoteby Saline95156 hours ago|
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The main problem is how they accessed the IP, but then using it to train a model is fair use. But yeah, IP theft doesn't exist because nothing is stolen really: Hollywood studios still have their movies.
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upvoteby sdellis3 hours ago|
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Um, yeah. They stole the IP and then they stored the pirated IP. It was literally stolen and stored on their servers. That proves that IP theft exists. It's not complicated.
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upvoteby butlike5 hours ago|
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I don't think that's true. Sometimes the 'why' is lost in time as no one's around to tell it, so we end up with a "if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?" scenario. It doesn't really matter. The thing now exists without a 'why.'
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