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by baxtr9 hours ago |
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upvoteby nmfisher8 hours ago|
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Until recently, DeepSeek were self-financed (it was a spin-out from a hedge fund). They just raised ~50million RMB (US$7bn), and according to media [0] (which admittedly can be unreliable), the lead investors were:

1) The CEO himself 2) Tencent 3) CALT (the battery company) 4) NetEase (internet/media company) 5) JD.com (ecommerce) 6) Chinese investment firms

What are they expecting in return? I'd say the same thing that all those investors in OpenAI and Anthropic are expecting - profit.

[0] https://finance.sina.com.cn/stock/vcpe/2026-06-11/doc-iniazi...

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upvoteby gniv8 hours ago|
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I don't think this question would get to the reason. There could be one or two persons in charge who simply shape the culture of the company, including how much to publish.
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upvoteby archerx9 hours ago|
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They are self financed, the company that makes DeepSeek is a finance company that trades on the markets.
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upvoteby rsanek9 hours ago|
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The CCP's approach has historically been to subsidize their companies far more than other countries do. Why would LLMs be any different?

https://www.oecd.org/en/data/dashboards/magic-database-indus...

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upvoteby declan_roberts7 hours ago|
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Access to everything every American company feeds into the AI is well worth it to the CCP.
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upvoteby u80807 hours ago|
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According to EU statistics, yeah
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upvoteby dgellow6 hours ago|
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OECD isn’t the EU.

And regarding the dataset:

> Unlike most OECD databases, which rely on government data provided at country-level, the OECD MAGIC database uses firm-level data. The subsidy estimates included in the database are based on raw data obtained from firms’ annual reports, financial statements, bond prospectuses, IPO prospectuses, etc. The data are collected and verified manually by the OECD to maximise accuracy, consistency, and comparability. In some cases, additional information is also obtained from government databases, either to verify the firm-level information or to complement it. Care is taken to avoid double-counting where the data mix corporate and government sources.

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upvoteby eagleal4 hours ago|
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Even the latest World Bank report, the defacto neoliberal institution, recognized a couple of months ago that leaving the industries focus be dictaed by purely capital decisions was bad, as in _really_ bad.
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upvoteby nixon_why697 hours ago|
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Does that figure hold up when we look at Silicon Valley financing? Uber alone was subsidized to the tune of billions. Let alone the recent batch where we're into hundreds of billions.
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upvoteby baxtr8 hours ago|
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Even if they were fully self-financed, which isn’t the case, they would expect something in return.
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upvoteby nickthegreek7 hours ago|
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You can give them money by using their api. Just because their model is open, doesn’t mean they are a non profit.
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upvoteby archerx8 hours ago|
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Not everyone has the American “fuck you got mine” zero sum game attitude. Also they’re making some of the American and European AI companies look bad which they can leverage with their trades if they wanted to.
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upvoteby bushido8 hours ago|
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IMHO to promote that China believes in free markets and making the technology available to all.

Which will likely help them bolster the sales of the MANY new AI chips in development/use in China to international markets. Dislodging Nvidia.

Kinda the opposite of what Jensen Huang (Nvidia) thinks US is doing: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u3SY8nvjhQA

Edit: I'm a fan of deepseek and believe it's good to make the technology open/available. And do think that also help business - which I support as well.

Edit 2: No idea why I'm getting downvoted. That's also their official stance https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202601/08/content_WS695f1b55...

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upvoteby panny8 hours ago|
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Short AI companies

???

Profit!

Not suggesting this is it, but you know, one possible angle.

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