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upvoteby wmanley10 hours ago|
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> seemingly because Zuck isn't aware of how untalented the guy is.

Maybe Zuck just wanted his laptop to get better.

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upvoteby troupo14 hours ago|
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> Now Stephen Lemay is in charge, who's been at Apple for many years and actually knows stuff about software design

And who was Dye's second in command, and who was integral in coming up with Liquid Glass, designing it, and forcing it down everyone's throat.

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upvoteby saagarjha18 hours ago|
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upvoteby hbn18 hours ago|
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The bit about internal rumblings at Apple I definitely read from him but the rest is just things we saw play out publicly over the past decade.
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upvoteby saagarjha17 hours ago|
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I have no real love for Alan Dye but you should probably understand that Gruber feels it is a personal affront that someone might work for a company that is not Apple.
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upvoteby hbn17 hours ago|
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Are you suggesting Gruber is upset at Dye for leaving Apple?

We all disliked Dye before he left. People were taking potshots at Apple's design direction under him for 10 years.

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upvoteby saagarjha17 hours ago|
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He thinks Dye was never good enough to be at Apple and that he would think of leaving proves it
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upvoteby hbn17 hours ago|
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Is there something you perceive as unfair about judging a guy on the output of the work he was responsible for over a long period of time?
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upvoteby saagarjha15 hours ago|
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You will note that this is not what is being judged as I described in my comment that you just replied to
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upvoteby tambourine_man17 hours ago|
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Gruber does not have a monopoly on disliking Alan Dye’s work. On the contrary, I never met anyone who knew UI design was a thing that liked what he did.

When you’re using a tool for 40 years and someone who really has no clue gets in charge, starts breaking basic functionality for no good reason and affecting your day to day work, it’s not hard to get infuriated.

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upvoteby troupo14 hours ago|
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How do you think thay worked? Alan Dye alome came up with, designed and somehow forced Liquid Glass into every platform? Lemay, who was his second in command had nothing to do with it? It was Alan Dye single-handedly doing it?
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upvoteby tambourine_man6 hours ago|
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I am very, very curious how he reached, stayed that long at the top of the org chart and convinced so many people that this was a good direction to take.

If I were at Apple's leadership I'd consider that a major blindspot and focus deeply on fixing it.

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upvoteby troupo6 hours ago|
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Perhaps (any of these can be true, or false):

- He wasn't the only one pushing it? Lemay was described in Bloomberg as one of the key people behind Liquid Glass

- The vision wasn't as bad as it turned out to be, but it was rushed because of yearly releases and Apple having nothing to present?

- None of the senior leadership use the devices beyond occasionally, so they couldn't care less what's happening to the UX?

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upvoteby tambourine_man4 hours ago|
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On your first point, I don't know if Lemay merely agreed to keep his job or was an enthusiast of the vision. But it is a bit worrisome, if Bloomberg is to be believed.

On your second, Liquid Glass is merely the culmination of years of bad direction. Hiding essential feature on hover (notification's close icon, elapsed time on Apple Music, proxy icon, etc), poor contrast, legibility, background/foreground differentiation, was a long running process.

On your third point, I think it's possible and, if that's the case, deeply troubling.

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upvoteby saagarjha15 hours ago|
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