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I just recently, in the US, got bounced through a bank authentication system (Wells Fargo's) when trying to order something from Amazon that required me to use their mobile app. I don't use an Android or iOS phone; as best I can tell there is no way to successfully complete that authentication. I even have a hardware TOTP token from the bank now, but even that they won't accept.

Now, my card info did in fact get compromised recently, and that's probably why I ended up needing that stronger auth flow. But the fact that I literally can't complete that stronger bank authentication without Google or Apple is... yeah. No.

I have since signed up for a different credit card that I plan to use from here on out.

by birdsongs4 hours ago|

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> Europeans are doing this to themselves.

I mean, tbf the situation was fine until the US transitioned to an autocracy, and the companies went full surveillance state evil, completely supporting the autocracy. Which is a relatively recent development.

But sure.

Most places here are working as fast as possible to decouple from any reliance on the US, and I would expect Norway to switch to the new EU digital ID system currently in development.

by hparadiz1 hours ago|

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> US transitioned to an autocracy

this is too funny coming from a continent constantly at war with itself

by birdsongs51 minutes ago|

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Cope all you want, the broad spectrum opinion by most experts and independent research groups holds it to be true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_backsliding_in_the_...

by hparadiz10 minutes ago|

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As a natively Russian speaking Jew born in Crimea I really don't need any lectures on democracy from someone who ran away to Europe at the height of it's American enforced century of stability. My childhood was listening to stories from my great grandmother (born in Moldova) losing her entire childhood and several family members to European savagery. European so called Democracy isn't even one lifetime old. It's hilarious that you think Europeans have any moral high ground here whatsoever. It took the US to save Ukraine from the Russians and while the entire EU was waffling and talking about "escalation" we were actually doing something about it.

by eMPee5844 hours ago|

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which as of now seems to depend on google/apple services being in control of your device and thus gets us half a tiny step closer to freedom at most..

by vintermann7 hours ago|

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Competing to be best in class at US loyalty, more like it.